A thought about reincarnation

[Sugarcoat]

Is reincarnation true? Let’s look at it.  
 

When we think of infinite mind/consciousness (reality) dreaming, we think of it in the context of this one life, as in reality is dreaming “my life”. But what if reality can dream several lives, connected to each other through reincarnation, so reality is dreaming a reality of reincarnation, but reality isn’t bound to reincarnation, it’s a dream WITHIN reality. 
 
So basically what I’m saying is that reincarnation might be true, but it’s a RELATIVE truth, it’s a dream within reality, just like “my life”, it’s a dream out of the infinite dreams reality can dream, so it’s not an absolute truth.

Basically this idea of reality being a dream is not limited to “your life” it can apply across lifetimes. 

Maybe I’m sounding obvious lol

Edited April 18 by Sugarcoat

[Yimpa]

7 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Is reincarnation true? Let’s look at it.  

 

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Yimpa said:

 

Hes not even reacting at his weirdness lol just talking casually

[Schizophonia]

Everything that is limited is a relative true.

Then if the question is whether there is potentially another scenario than reincarnation in infinity, well that would mean that something that has no beginning can have an end, which is a bit of an aberration a priori.

I saw a theory that if you're conscious, then you're in a "quantum immortality" scenario; Meaning you're a version of Sugarcoat that's never going to "die" for some reason. I think that was a troll lol but it's still fun to imagine that.

 

[Schizophonia]

@Razard86

[Sugarcoat]

26 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Everything that is limited is a relative true.

Then if the question is whether there is potentially another scenario than reincarnation in infinity, well that would mean that something that has no beginning can have an end, which is a bit of an aberration a priori.

I saw a theory that if you're conscious, then you're in a "quantum immortality" scenario; Meaning you're a version of Sugarcoat that's never going to "die" for some reason. I think that was a troll lol but it's still fun to imagine that.

 

Exactly everything that is limited is a relative truth like the sky is blue because it’s within the context of language for example 

I don’t understand your first paragraph , and second lol.

How come the version of me is never going to die?

[Schizophonia]

34 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Exactly everything that is limited is a relative truth like the sky is blue because it’s within the context of language for example 

Yep.

36 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

 

I don’t understand your first paragraph

It seems impossible that something perfect, infinite, could "suddenly" produce an ego, a limited and evolving experience; It’s the story of the big bang, there would be "nothing", nothing since "always", and then all of a sudden BOOM an evolving universe in a temporal dimension of dual and relative structures.
 

The most obvious would therefore be that absolute unity does not really exist, is an illusion, and that we are fundamentally "trapped" in an infinite cycle of reincarnation, the « samsara wheel ».

I remember you had made a topic on the same or similar reasoning which made you doubt the Buddhist possibility of the end of reincarnations.

36 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

and second lol.

How come the version of me is never going to die?

I don't know 😂 It was a funny theory I read.
 

The idea is that for reasons of quantum logic, if you are conscious it is because ultimate is in the version of your ego that will survive infinitely. You are not going to commit suicide, you are not going to choke on blood pudding, you are not going to get thunderbolts, and you will surely find a solution (transhumanism, medications...) to basically become immortal; Maybe you will evolve until you forget this current form, but there will never be a "death" as a "quantum leap".
 

 

[Hojo]

@Sugarcoat The version of you that is never going to die is what is reincarnating you are 2 yous right now at the same time in waking state. There is a version of you that exists outside the body where other people exist and one that exists in you. The one in you will never go away and that is what reincarnates. If you woke up in a different body with different memories the you outside the body will change the you inside is the same.

Edited April 18 by Hojo

[Sugarcoat]

49 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

It seems impossible that something perfect, infinite, could "suddenly" produce an ego, a limited and evolving experience; It’s the story of the big bang, there would be "nothing", nothing since "always", and then all of a sudden BOOM an evolving universe in a temporal dimension of dual and relative structures.
 

The most obvious would therefore be that absolute unity does not really exist, is an illusion, and that we are fundamentally "trapped" in an infinite cycle of reincarnation, the « samsara wheel ».

I remember you had made a topic on the same or similar reasoning which made you doubt the Buddhist possibility of the end of reincarnations.

Why couldn’t infinity create something seemingly limited? It works if the limit is illusion that’s my thought

Yea I wrote the same argument here, that enlightenment can’t end reincarnation because it would have already happened if we assume eternity 

50 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

 

I don't know 😂 It was a funny theory I read.
 

The idea is that for reasons of quantum logic, if you are conscious it is because ultimate is in the version of your ego that will survive infinitely. You are not going to commit suicide, you are not going to choke on blood pudding, you are not going to get thunderbolts, and you will surely find a solution (transhumanism, medications...) to basically become immortal; Maybe you will evolve until you forget this current form, but there will never be a "death" as a "quantum leap".
 

 

I don’t get it

[Sugarcoat]

24 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Sugarcoat The version of you that is never going to die is what is reincarnating you are 2 yous right now at the same time in waking state. There is a version of you that exists outside the body where other people exist and one that exists in you. The one in you will never go away and that is what reincarnates. If you woke up in a different body with different memories the you outside the body will change the you inside is the same.

I don’t get how there’s a version of me outside the body 

[Ishanga]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

I don’t get how there’s a version of me outside the body 

Body is just one aspect of what makes us Human, there is still the Mind, Emotions and Energy systems and two other bodies of sorts that make up what we are well here and Embodied... You don't get how there is something more to You than just Your Body because Your Awareness of these other "bodies" is not developed yet, its simple, hence why we have practices that put these bodies into Your Awareness..

What goes on they say after Your present day Body dies, is Your Energy Body, Astral Body and Bliss body, embedded in the Energy Body is Your Karma, no discretionary ability is there with You while in this realm, just Your Tendencies picked up from this lifetime added on to all the other tendencies and conditioning/karma that was created via all the other lifetimes (as human, insect, plant, animal, etc) that you have collected over thousands of lifetimes probably, who knows? Depending on how Conscious, or how developed You were Spiritually determines what Body you will go into for the next lifetime... If You reached Enlightenment during this lifetime, and the alloted Karma is used Up, there is still a warehouse of Karma left, but what they say is that at the moment of Enlightenment and dissolution/moskha/liberation your no longer going to go on and live another life and merge no existence or Absolute, but others say You go on to other higher realms...

Why is all this happening? My guess it is simply for Absolute to know itself via Experience, Experience on the amoeba level, plant level, insect level, animal level and Human Level which is the top end of the scale as far as we know..We are part of a Possibility/Potential  equation, where everything that can be is, so here we have Duality, Consequence/Karma, Materialism/Physicality in existence and we play the game of how to get back to Absolute, via that Experiences happen of all sorts, Trillions upon Trillions of Experiences and via that Absolute Experiences itself..

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

Why couldn’t infinity create something seemingly limited? It works if the limit is illusion that’s my thought

I mean there wasn't a single moment when we were "perfect," because how could something perfect suddenly not be perfect anymore?
So I guess we've always been egos in some form or another.

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

Yea I wrote the same argument here, that enlightenment can’t end reincarnation because it would have already happened if we assume eternity

It was smart.

I'm still agree a priori. 

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

 

I don’t get it

Obviously  

[Sugarcoat]

12 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

I mean there wasn't a single moment when we were "perfect," because how could something perfect suddenly not be perfect anymore?
So I guess we've always been egos in some form or another.

Being an ego is the only thing you can remember that’s why it seems we’ve always been it.

 

[Clarence]

I believe reincarnation is true — and also agree that it is a relative truth.

There are well studied cases of people remembering past lives in extreme details.

But I also think that reincarnation doesn't necessarily have to be bound to Earth, that someone's consciousness could choose to keep evolving, after a life on Earth, in a different world or reality, such as in a non-physical reality.

I wish to understand in great detail how God/Consciousness proceeds to divide itself and create realities and independent conscious beings. I understand at the Absolute level how it is possible, but a lot of pieces are missing to precisely know its design.

It's like I understand how a skyscraper can be build, but I don't master how all the parts are put together to make it stand perfectly.

I also wish to understand who we are and what we experience when we are not limited to a human life like this one. I think this avatar is just a tiny part of ourselves, and that we will expand back to our higher, vaster consciousness once we die.

That's such an interesting topic, even if it is part of the relative domain.

[Ishanga]

7 minutes ago, Clarence said:

I believe reincarnation is true — and also agree that it is a relative truth.

There are well studied cases of people remembering past lives in extreme details.

But I also think that reincarnation doesn't necessarily have to be bound to Earth, that someone's consciousness could choose to keep evolving, after a life on Earth, in a different world or reality, such as in a non-physical reality.

I wish to understand in great detail how God/Consciousness proceeds to divide itself and create realities and independent conscious beings. I understand at the Absolute level how it is possible, but a lot of pieces are missing to precisely know its design.

It's like I understand how a skyscraper can be build, but I don't master how all the parts are put together to make it stand perfectly.

I also wish to understand who we are and what we experience when we are not limited to a human life like this one. I think this avatar is just a tiny part of ourselves, and that we will expand back to our higher, vaster consciousness once we die.

That's such an interesting topic, even if it is part of the relative domain.

There are also tons of cases where ppl have already developed skills in certain areas, as well as well with twins lets say brought up in the same environment with the same DNA growing up to be different individuals, not saying Environment doesn't have a role to play in how we are, it does but ones consciousness level plays a more significant role I would say..

Reincarnation is just a recycling, sooner or later one will come to the Truth of it, it can be done within One lifetime or a span of 80yrs which is nothing compared to thousands upon thousands of lifetimes, if this is what one wants there are established systems in place to facilitate this, but individualism and ego rule in today's day and age, so ppl want to try to figure it out on their own, like reinventing the wheel, lol, its stupid but free will is what makes us what we are!!!

Edited April 18 by Ishanga

[Clarence]

@Ishanga I don't understand what your point is.

Are you saying we shouldn't try to understand or know certain parts of reality because the desire to know comes from the ego?

Your text is not clear to me.

[Ishanga]

6 minutes ago, Clarence said:

@Ishanga I don't understand what your point is.

Are you saying we shouldn't try to understand or know certain parts of reality because the desire to know comes from the ego?

Your text is not clear to me.

No, Desire is not from the Ego, Desire is life itself, everyone and every living thing want to live to its highest Potential, but Humans with the most innate Potential have to be super Conscious of how this process goes about. Egoic desire process is about Accumulating more ppl, places and things to feel and experience being on top of other Humans, True Desire process is about no more Accumulating anything, just dropping of everything (ppl, places and things) and going back to Your Original nature...

If one is driven by Ego though they will want to go thru in their own "Unique" way, and this can take lifetimes to do, if one drops their Ego, they can use established systems to help them discover it within this lifetime or even immediately, it depends on ones karmic makeup.... 

[Clarence]

10 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

if one drops their Ego, they can use established systems to help them discover it within this lifetime or even immediately, it depends on ones karmic makeup.... 

What do you mean to discover here: the Absolute (understanding God), or whether reincarnation is the case? Because those are two different endeavors.

I think you're talking about the Absolute, but the topic is investigating reincarnation, so that's confusing.

[Ishanga]

11 minutes ago, Clarence said:

What do you mean to discover here: the Absolute (understanding God), or whether reincarnation is the case? Because those are two different endeavors.

I think you're talking about the Absolute, but the topic is investigating reincarnation, so that's confusing.

The Ultimate Desire is too be Unbounded or Totally Free, this is Liberation or Moskha, where Your merged with Absolute, or some say higher up realms, so yes this is mostly about Absolute Realization, reincarnation I would say is just a cycling program to allow it too happen over a longer period of time for this sort of expression of life as we know it too be...

How all of this is happening is a mystery for Me, my only conclusion is that its a program of sorts to allow Potential as we know to be expressed here based on our laws of physics and how our reality is set up, it could be completely different somewhere else in another reality of sorts!   

[Hojo]

@Sugarcoat people walk around life pretending like they exist outside the body and are real and interact with others. You dont feel like you have presence outside the body? You don't feel like you exist outside the body at all?

Like if you have ever grabbed your arm and said this is my arm you are pretending you exist outside the body how can you see your own arm and grab it if you weren't? The process of looking outside your body and seeing that you exist there is what I'm talking about. Its how you differentiate between other objects and yourself.

Have you ever kept a secret? That means you know you exist in 2 places at once but dont want 1 place to know. 1 place you know the secret and the 2nd you wont say.

 

 

Edited April 18 by Hojo