Question about why is there something rather than nothing video

[Nilsi]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, the logic of the monkeys. Everything is because a reason,.or Betty, because infinite reasons. every energetic vibration that emerges in empty space is infinitely interconnected and its appearance is absolutely logical in infinite directions

 

This is the height of vulgarity.

To try and capture the most beautiful and meaningful aspects of life within the cold frame of reason is to desecrate them. These moments - of love, of ecstasy, of grief, of wonder - do not happen for anything. They are radically contingent, arising without cause or purpose beyond themselves. They affirm nothing but their own singularity, their irreducible intensity, the sheer fact that they are.

And this is their power. Not that they can be explained or systematized, but that they exist as pure force, as event, as eruption. Any attempt to grasp them through rationalization - to pin them down with meaning, function, or logic - is to reduce them to a caricature of their former selves. What is seized is not the real, but a pale and mutilated shadow.

The real escapes. It does not submit to interpretation. It pulses beyond the reach of categories, mocking every effort to contain it. And the moment we try to “understand” it, we have already betrayed it.

[Leo Gura]

You guys have a real problem understanding the transcendent nature of logic.

You don't even understand that God's very existence requires a logical tautology.

I was trying to teach you something profound but you insist on being dense.

Casting logical pearls before swine.

Edited April 19 by Leo Gura

[Nilsi]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

You guys have a real problem understanding the transcendent nature of logic.

You don't even understand that God's very existence requires a logical tautology.

I don’t care about your childish God. What you hold onto is fool’s gold - the illusion that naming the infinite somehow brings you closer to it. But reality doesn’t require your explanations, your realizations, your petty awakenings. It unfolds regardless. It pulses, it burns, it blossoms - without your permission and beyond your grasp.

You sit locked in your room, stroking abstractions, endlessly contemplating the nature of Being, as if reality were waiting for your verdict. But while you theorize, the world dances. The wind touches skin. Lovers kiss and part. The city exhales. The light shifts on the floor.

And none of it needs your insight to be real. None of it asks to be grasped. It is - with or without your categories.

What you call understanding is just the shadow of what you’re too afraid to feel directly. The real doesn't speak. It happens.

[The Crocodile]

28 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Casting logical pearls before swine.

Does that make you a clam?

[integral]

@Nilsi is the world burning down that someone else believes in God differently than you? I think we should take up our pitchforks.

[Breakingthewall]

40 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

This is the height of vulgarity.

To try and capture the most beautiful and meaningful aspects of life within the cold frame of reason is to desecrate them. These moments - of love, of ecstasy, of grief, of wonder - do not happen for anything. They are radically contingent, arising without cause or purpose beyond themselves. They affirm nothing but their own singularity, their irreducible intensity, the sheer fact that they are.

And this is their power. Not that they can be explained or systematized, but that they exist as pure force, as event, as eruption. Any attempt to grasp them through rationalization - to pin them down with meaning, function, or logic - is to reduce them to a caricature of their former selves. What is seized is not the real, but a pale and mutilated shadow.

The real escapes. It does not submit to interpretation. It pulses beyond the reach of categories, mocking every effort to contain it. And the moment we try to “understand” it, we have already betrayed it.

You can rationalize absolutely everything, and it still loses none of its beauty, since beauty lies in the observer, not in the subject. It's subjective. Everything is sublime and perfect, and logic is no exception.

[Nilsi]

1 minute ago, integral said:

@Nilsi is the world burning down that someone else believes in God differently than you? I think we should take up our pitchforks.

I’m not the one demanding to be taken seriously. I’m only this confrontational because someone decided to pick a fight with every thinker under the sun and throw around words like “epistemic swine.”

If you posture as judge, don’t be surprised when someone bites back.

[Nilsi]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

You can rationalize absolutely everything, and it still loses none of its beauty, since beauty lies in the observer, not in the subject. It's subjective. Everything is sublime and perfect, and logic is no exception.

So by your own logic, everything that escapes logic is already sublime and perfect - long before it's ever flattened by explanation?

[Nilsi]

By the way, I'm not anti-logic. I'm anti-totalitarian.

[Sugarcoat]

How do you know there is something?

[integral]

@Nilsi the epistemic vocabulary leo has introduced is extremely useful. I think you’re throwing the baby out of the bathwater.

You need to provide a very strong steel man of Leos position in order to get him to acknowledge anything.

[Breakingthewall]

23 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

So by your own logic, everything that escapes logic is already sublime and perfect - long before it's ever flattened by explanation?

Nothing escapes logic, it can escape to the logic that I can see, and if you realize that logic is absolutely sublime, finding logical perfection does not flatten beauty but highlights it. Logic is literally infinite. Everything has infinite ramifications absolutely logically synchronized 

Edited April 19 by Breakingthewall

[Eskilon]

1 hour ago, integral said:

What’s the difference between logic and coherence? They seem like the same thing

Good question, need to ponder that.

 

1 hour ago, integral said:

Do distinctions cause logic, or does logic cause distinctions?

Or is it that distinction is logic? Logic is the structure of distinction?

they are co-arising

Distinction is more fundamental than logic. Logic is one form of distinction, an aspect of this dream.

Distinction is form, there are an infinite ammount of forms imaginable, but not all of them(or even most of them) are logical.

Logic does seems to be fundamental to the human experience, but that's just a function of this state of consciousness in particular, that does not mean it exists in other state of consciousness or other beings.

Edited April 19 by Eskilon

[Eskilon]

44 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

How do you know there is something?

Look at your hand

[Eskilon]

46 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

By the way, I'm not anti-logic. I'm anti-totalitarian.

Then you are anti-god, because God is total

Edited April 19 by Eskilon

[Sugarcoat]

30 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Look at your hand

Does that prove there is something?

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Does that prove there is something?

Something is change, without change there is nothing. 

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Something is change, without change there is nothing. 

So if everything would suddenly freeze and be still then that would be nothing?

I thought something is just something limited with a border, separate 

[Eskilon]

6 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Does that prove there is something?

Proof, is just a perspective in the mind of God. 

You are here right now, your hand is right in front of you, what is THAT?

Edited April 19 by Eskilon

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Eskilon said:

Proof, is just a perspective in the mind of God. 

You are here right now, your hand is right in front of you, what is THAT?

“You are here right now” just because it seems like it doesn’t mean it’s the case