What are the odds that you, an average dude, is Tier 2? Not very high.

[Carl-Richard]

I might have slightly overstated my case here in the original post. It's not that being Tier 2 or any stage is only about what your life is or what it looks like from the outside. It's that once you learn about Spiral Dynamics and Tier 2, it becomes truly impossible to tell what your stage is, because humans are the mimicking animal. We ape after what we find fascinating and valueable (and the highest SD stage we can conceive of). And we are so extremely good at it that we even fool ourselves. And that is why we need other methods to reliably determine what our development is.

Only after a very long time of deeply involved mimicking, you might actually become the thing you are mimicking. But then again, if we take the "official" words of the authors of these models (which you can doubt, but then there are also many more things you should doubt), even this might take decades. Or to be honest, this has as far as I know not been studied at all (i.e. the effect of taking in knowledge and values from higher SD stages). But if this forum is any proof, I don't think it makes very much of a difference 😂 (I'm of course partially joking with you guys 😉😋).

So my point in a nutshell is that once you have learned about SD, any claims about your own SD development become so unreliable as to be essentially invalid. If you want to get anything resembling a reliable estimate (and even then it's shady at best, giving that humans are also the bullshitting animal), survey yourself from before you learned about the model.

Edited April 17 by Carl-Richard

[blackchair]

On 4/13/2025 at 5:25 PM, Elliott said:

Bro, he already fits YOUR tier 2 criteria. He makes movies to positively influence society, he's been green for 20 years.

He's dating children for that past 20 years, you can't be tier 2 and be with someone who's only starting his/her self development journey, I'm turquoise/coral and single for 9years, for a reason..... there's chart of compability of colors in relationships, yellow is opposite and equal, turquoise is interbeing.....and yes I look/dress like homeless guy....

[blackchair]

[blackchair]

And English is my second language so I can't be efficient in intellectual and deep conversation needed of Yellow (p.s learn Croatian lol) , but I made a little "test" for turquoise, can you unconditionally love pedofile and be best friends with them whole life?. 99% people can't. Now will children on this forum jump for me, but I honestly don't care.....

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, blackchair said:

He's dating children for that past 20 years, you can't be tier 2 and be with someone who's only starting his/her self development journey, I'm turquoise/coral and single for 9years, for a reason..... there's chart of compability of colors in relationships, yellow is opposite and equal, turquoise is interbeing.....and yes I look/dress like homeless guy....

Describe Coral and how it differs from Turquoise.

[Ramanujan]

@Carl-Richard are you in yellow

[Carl-Richard]

On 18.4.2025 at 11:32 AM, Ramanujan said:

@Carl-Richard are you in yellow

I think I'm good at pretending that I am. But I care much less about pretending now than before.

Edited April 19 by Carl-Richard