How could feelings be just about survival and nothing else?

[Sugarcoat]

Feeling can be tied to concepts. Like if someone gets conditioned to value their heritage, that is a concept, a country is an idea, then they can have feelings associated with the concept of their heritage. There’s not much of a limit to how complicated of ideas can trigger feelings. It’s not all survival, one can cry at the view of something beautiful for example a waterfall

[Eskilon]

 

[UnbornTao]

On 4/18/2025 at 0:46 PM, Sugarcoat said:

Feeling can be tied to concepts. Like if someone gets conditioned to value their heritage, that is a concept, a country is an idea, then they can have feelings associated with the concept of their heritage. There’s not much of a limit to how complicated of ideas can trigger feelings. It’s not all survival, one can cry at the view of something beautiful for example a waterfall

What if feeling itself is sourced by concept, as is thinking? 

Try to stop thinking for a couple minutes, then do the same with feeling. 

I think we tend to think of survival as something bad or negative; let's just call it "life." 

Edited April 21 by UnbornTao

[Sugarcoat]

3 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

What if feeling itself is sourced by concept, as is thinking? 

Try to stop thinking for a couple minutes, then do the same with feeling. 

I think we tend to think of survival as something bad or negative; let's just call it "life." 

I don’t get what u mean by “sourced by”

[UnbornTao]

4 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

I don’t get what u mean by “sourced by”

That it gives rise to both feeling and thinking; that concept is the "place" where they originate.

Edited April 21 by UnbornTao

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

That it gives rise to both feeling and thinking; that concept is the "place" where they originate.

Thoughts are concepts right? And feelings are triggered by concepts

[UnbornTao]

56 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Thoughts are concepts right? And feelings are triggered by concepts

It seems as though thought and feeling are both forms of concept. What we usually take a “concept” to be is just an inconsequential thought that arises in our internal dialogue, an add-on that is independent to what objectively exists. For example, we may look at a tree and think of it as tall and beautiful. We might take those latter qualities to be conceptual, but not “the tree” itself. At the same time, we might object to this claim, since thought often appears “dry,” whereas feeling is more “charged.”

Good questions, you tell me.

Edited April 21 by UnbornTao

[Sugarcoat]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

It seems as though thought and feeling are both forms of concept. What we usually take a “concept” to be is just an inconsequential thought that arises in our internal dialogue, an add-on that is independent to what objectively exists. For example, we may look at a tree and think of it as tall and beautiful. We might take those latter qualities to be conceptual, but not “the tree” itself. At the same time, we might object to this claim, since thought often appears “dry,” whereas feeling is more “charged.”

Good questions, you tell me.

I mean the word thought and the word feelings are concepts, but to me the experience of a feeling is not a concept, and thoughts can be of images so again not only concepts. But then how much our mind is involved in conceptualizing our experiences/senses might not always be apparent, so some of it could be conceptual too . 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

How can logic recognise a state of consciousness?

It is through an emotion, a feeling, that you recognise a state of consciousness, or a change in state.

Logic cannot do this because it is bound by ego, and ego cannot do this because it locked by its own identity.

This is why I feel Leo needs to include feeling in his conception of truth.

It is a key missing piece.

[samijiben]

@Natasha Tori Maru

But what do you mean by Feeling?

Is it distinct from anything else?

Even "Feeling Itself" can be subdivided into physical feeling (i.e., feeling a rock, a tit, a tree) and mental-emotional feeling (which, if not Painfully Obvious to you at this Point in Time, is best not existing at all).

And if Feeling does exist, in your estimation, how would one go about DESCRIBING IT?

Would you then begin labeling and categorizing it in the pursuit of UNDERSTANDING? If you do that, QUITE COUNTERINTUITIVELY, it will take you farther away from Feeling, into the realms of abstract reasoning and murky mental ejaculate.

[UnbornTao]

On 4/21/2025 at 6:19 PM, Sugarcoat said:

I mean the word thought and the word feelings are concepts, but to me the experience of a feeling is not a concept, and thoughts can be of images so again not only concepts. But then how much our mind is involved in conceptualizing our experiences/senses might not always be apparent, so some of it could be conceptual too . 

@Natasha Tori Maru @samijiben We should look into what concept is. 

Edited April 29 by UnbornTao

[Sugarcoat]

@UnbornTao Theres so much to contemplate…

[Yimpa]

22 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

@UnbornTao Theres so much to contemplate…

Get to the root and contemplate what God is.

Everything else is just noise.

What is noise?

Edited April 29 by Yimpa

[Sugarcoat]

8 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Get to the root and contemplate what God is.

Everything else is just noise.

What is noise?

Or contemplate the contemplator, that’s deep too

[Yimpa]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

Or contemplate the contemplator, that’s deep too

I am contemplating now, and noticing myself seeing mistakes in your ways. And, now that I see that so clearly, I am dropping the need to correct you!

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Yimpa said:

I am contemplating now, and noticing myself seeing mistakes in your ways. And, now that I see that so clearly, I am dropping the need to correct you!

What was wrong lol

[Yimpa]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

What was wrong lol

I see the laughter is wrong. Being happy is wrong.

Doing things wrong is wrong.

It's not oww. IT's wow!!!

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

I see the laughter is wrong. Being happy is wrong.

Doing things wrong is wrong.

It's not oww. IT's wow!!!

Ok😆