Neo-Nazis Use Graham Hancock's Theories

[Emerald]

@Leo Gura Who would have thought that someone whose work theorizes and waxes poetic about a mythological past where there were ancient advanced civilizations that were once great and then fell would be attractive to Fascists. 

This is just par of the course for nationalistic Fascist types or even just run of the mill nationalists from other countries outside of the US... but you don't see a lot of this with American nationalists because America is such a new country. So, we build our country's nationalist mythos differently than older countries build their nationalist mythos.

Instead, you only see this "we were once a great ancient people until they took us down" around the concept of race in more niche Neo-Nazi echo chambers, since there is more of a taboo against racism that isn't there with nationalism (which can be framed as patriotism).

But my husband is Hungarian, and he knows some run-of-the million Hungarian nationalists, who are as passionate about Hungary as American nationalists are about America.

And it wasn't too uncommon for them to believe some wild pseudoscientific stories like... "Here's the REAL story about the ancient Hungarians who once were the dominant world power and were responsible for ALL innovations in the great early civilizations."

This is me paraphrasing what I remember from reading one of these articles that one of his friends posted on FB like 10 years ago...

'Hungarians were the original people who were behind all the advanced civilizations in the world. In fact, it was Hungarians who taught the Ancient Egyptians how to build the pyramids. And Hungarians used to be the dominant people in the world, until (fill in x group) came and oppressed them and stole credit for all of the things Hungarians created.'

So, when you have a "historian" who talks about Atlantis... and how it was once a great civilization and then fell, it tracks on nicely with the Fascist tendency to put the archetypal "myth of the golden age" in some idealized past that never actually existed.

The concept of Atlantis in general is a great "blank screen" that Fascists (and run-of-the-mill nationalist types) can project their mythologized past onto.

Edited March 21 by Emerald

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, Emerald said:

'Hungarians were the original people who were behind all the advanced civilizations in the world. In fact, it was Hungarians who taught the Ancient Egyptians how to build the pyramids. And Hungarians used to be the dominant people in the world, until (fill in x group) came and oppressed them and stole credit for all of the things Hungarians created.'

New level of delusion unlocked, haha.

Edited March 21 by Leo Gura

[enchanted]

On 19/03/2025 at 8:20 PM, Leo Gura said:

This is wild:

 

Just Wow

[Basman]

The irony of racial purity is that cross-breeding different ethnicities is actually slightly beneficial in terms of health and beauty.

[enchanted]

@Emerald 'Hungarians were the original people who were behind all the advanced civilizations in the world. In fact, it was Hungarians who taught the Ancient Egyptians how to build the pyramids. And Hungarians used to be the dominant people in the world, until (fill in x group) came and oppressed them and stole credit for all of the things Hungarians created.'

 

I've heard this exact same thing from Hungarians at the church I grew up in. Alot of Hungarians at the Catholic Church are also Nazi sympathizers and long for the days when Hungary gets it's land back it lost after the war.

[gambler]

9 minutes ago, Basman said:

The irony of racial purity is that cross-breeding different ethnicities is actually slightly beneficial in terms of health and beauty.

The irony is that everyone is mixed. And mixing has always happened. It never has stopped and will never stop. 

[Schizophonia]

14 hours ago, gambler said:

Sorry, I wrongly assumed the Basque were similar to Sardinians. They actually differ in they have a surge of WHG ancestry. Though I still think they aren’t the most European, but I don’t know. 

In this principal component analysis, seems like some of the grey triangles (representing different European individuals from various ethnicities) marked N_Europe is closer to the indigenous and least admixed ancient European population of WHGs. 

 

By the way this is a bit of an awkward PCA, I’m pretty sure it removed non west Eurasian elements from South Central Asians, so they plot closer to the steppe herders than they should. 

From what I remember, it was in relation to haplogroups.
The most common haplogroup among modern Europeans was the English and some French or people from northern Spain. From this perspective, the Basques (unless I'm confusing them) and inhabitants of certain regions of England were the purest Europeans.
The Germans and Scandinavians were proportionally closer to Slavs and Asians.
If what I'm saying makes sense.

[Basman]

56 minutes ago, gambler said:

The irony is that everyone is mixed. And mixing has always happened. It never has stopped and will never stop. 

You could always be more mixed I guess. If Neo-nazis don't understand genealogy then it makes sense that they perceive there to be such a thing racial purity. There is such a thing as ethnic homogeneity, which is more about identity than genetics. Arguably, racial purity is a backwards rationalization so it doesn't really matter if it's accurate or true in essence.

[Scholar]

14 hours ago, Emerald said:

'Hungarians were the original people who were behind all the advanced civilizations in the world. In fact, it was Hungarians who taught the Ancient Egyptians how to build the pyramids. And Hungarians used to be the dominant people in the world, until (fill in x group) came and oppressed them and stole credit for all of the things Hungarians created.'

This is exactly what is going on in China as we speak. It's just stage blue nationalism.

There are chinese scientists who make the case that mankind originated from China rather than africa. It's similar to how the Russian nationalists will claim that ancient greece was a product of russian culture. It gives legitimacy to imperialistic and superiority thinking.

[Emerald]

23 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

New level of delusion unlocked, haha.

Yes TOTALLY delusional. My husband and I frequently laugh about it as he's never had a strong nationalist identity.

But unfortunately it's not new delusion at all. Most older countries probably have some similar version of that as it's the archetypal ultra-nationalist Golden Age narrative.

Americans are somewhat spared from it in our country's mythos because of the fact that we learn a lot of real facts about how America was founded since it's just about 250 years old.

And the delusional narratives we use are more like sugar-coated superimpositions of fanciful meaning onto stuff that did happen (like Manifest Destiny being used to explain away genocide) rather than all-out fabrications of stuff that never ever happened that's 100% myth.

Also, the fact that we know that we're a nation of many different cultures prevents nationalists from mythologizing about Americans being the superior people of the same blood. And that instead gets placed onto racial identity instead of national identity.

But if America was comprised of one single ethnic group (or appeared to be) and America were 500+ years old, you'd be hearing all kinds of outlandish tales about how the original pure-blooded ancient Americans were responsible for building the great pyramids.

Yet again, according to Mormonism, the Garden of Eden was located in America. So, there are some instances of this.

[Emerald]

20 hours ago, enchanted said:

@Emerald 'Hungarians were the original people who were behind all the advanced civilizations in the world. In fact, it was Hungarians who taught the Ancient Egyptians how to build the pyramids. And Hungarians used to be the dominant people in the world, until (fill in x group) came and oppressed them and stole credit for all of the things Hungarians created.'

I've heard this exact same thing from Hungarians at the church I grew up in. Alot of Hungarians at the Catholic Church are also Nazi sympathizers and long for the days when Hungary gets it's land back it lost after the war.

I know quite a few Hungarians through my husband (both in Hungary and in the states), and most of them are not very nationalistic.. except for a few of his more distant friends.

But yes. Lots of Hungarian nationalists want the land back from Romania and will hate on Romanians because they took Transylvania like 100 years ago. 

And they did fall from being the powerful Hapsburg Austo-Hungarian empire to being a poorer country when that happened. So, it is a collective national trauma.

But it was deeply ingrained into my husband growing up (in the 80s and 90s)  that there was this default hatred of Romanians. Then, when he was in his teens he was like "Why do I hate Romanians?" And he realized that he had no reason to and that it was stupid.

But Hungarians hating Romanians for taking the land was seemingly as normalized as hating on gay people was back in the 90s. It was just taken for granted as the norm.

And to be fair, there are Hungarians that are native to Transylvania (my late brother in law was Hungarian but born in Transylvania). But there are FAR more Romanians in Transylvania. So, it makes sense that things are as they are.

But it's literally just doing the group-think that comes along with maintaining a nationalist identity to hate on an out-group. 

[Emerald]

12 hours ago, Scholar said:

This is exactly what is going on in China as we speak. It's just stage blue nationalism.

There are chinese scientists who make the case that mankind originated from China rather than africa. It's similar to how the Russian nationalists will claim that ancient greece was a product of russian culture. It gives legitimacy to imperialistic and superiority thinking.

That doesn't surprise me at all.

I'm sure that it's in every country that's 500+ years old.

[PurpleTree]

About Hungarians I haven’t heard rhat crazy pyramid stuff.

But they were much larger recently.

The Austro Hungarian empire.

And Hungary had a lot more territory. Because they lost the war they had to give territory up. A lot to Romania for example.

So they are very salty about that.

[PurpleTree]

3 hours ago, Emerald said:

 

I'm sure that it's in every country that's 500+ years old.

Nope in many Western European countries it’s not really the case. Like France, Portugal, Switzerland, Denmark, England i haven’t really heard them claim those things for example. 

[Leo Gura]

Sorry to spoil it for ya'll, but all the world's greatest monuments were personally built by my family. Ya'lls ancestors are a bunch of lazy losers.

Edited March 22 by Leo Gura

[Basman]

It's funny, because for some countries the golden age mythos is kind of true, like with Mongolia. "We used to rule the world" but is now a backwater country of 3.5 million people.

Edited March 22 by Basman

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Basman said:

It's funny, because for some countries the golden age mythos is kind of true, like with Mongolia. "We used to rule the world" but is now a backwater country of 3.5 million people.

Well yea as a nation.

But they still spread their dna across the world and what not.

It reminds me a dude from Honduras who lives in Europe i know. He told me Europeans came and destroyed our indigenous culture. But the guy that told me this looks mostly white. So he thinks he’s the victim in this story but he was probably more of the perpetrators.

[Basman]

I feel like that people who cling to past glory, real or not, tend to be older alcoholic men.

Edited March 22 by Basman

[Girzo]

2 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Nope in many Western European countries it’s not really the case. Like France, Portugal, Switzerland, Denmark, England i haven’t really heard them claim those things for example. 

Because those countries had had that episode, but already outgrew it. In Poland, between around 1500-1800 polish nobility had believed that they are descendants of ancient Sarmatians, powerful conquerors. I think that if one were to dig, they would find similiar stories in each and every of the countries you have mentioned.

[PurpleTree]

12 minutes ago, Girzo said:

Because those countries had had that episode, but already outgrew it. In Poland, between around 1500-1800 polish nobility had believed that they are descendants of ancient Sarmatians, powerful conquerors. I think that if one were to dig, they would find similiar stories in each and every of the countries you have mentioned.

So you think in the US it’s also happening now with MAGA and then they’ll outgrow it?