Leftist ego getting people killed in war

[LordFall]

A lot of people(especially leftists) have what I think are terrible takes on the Ukraine war negotiations based on a stage green shadow i.e. massive ego while they're sitting comfortably in the west and not involved in the military conflict that has killed an estimated 250 000 people so far.

https://x.com/theomniliberal/status/1889782161739489617

Destiny is involved in this so he's free to say whatever he wants but this unstrategic feels before reality mentality is prevalent and in this situation is getting thousands of people killed monthly.

 

Even former ambassador Michael McFaul's take here sounds to me like it's based on naivety and foolishness rather than a valid sentiment that will save lives. This war should be stopped ASAP as Russia is prepared for a total war that will involve NATO and probably turn into WW3 if it's not settled now. They have already proven that they're all in and I don't see why we need to call that bluff as it's really not they've passed all the parliamentary measures to keep up and increase their military budget to 2026 and beyond. 

Edited February 14 by LordFall

[gambler]

The irony in destinys tweet is that he is indifferent to Palestinian loss of territory. Regardless of his PC stance that Israeli settlements suck, he has said that he believes the best thing for Israel is the genocide of Palestinians. So in one instance he’s indifferent to what’s going on in the West Bank and actually sees it as good that Israel is expanding its borders, yet thinks it’s bad that Ukraine loses territory. Dude is a contradictory goober. 

[aurum]

5 hours ago, LordFall said:

Russia is prepared for a total war that will involve NATO and probably turn into WW3 if it's not settled now.

That's not really the situation.

Russia is not looking for total war with NATO. They could barely conquer a small amount of Ukraine territory.

Destiny is right on this. The war should be stopped, but of course there needs to be a negotiation on both sides. The problem is that Trump basically is just giving Putin everything he wants and so far excluding Ukraine and the rest of the international community in the settlement.

If Ukraine wanted to just surrender to end the war, they could and I'd support them. But obviously they are not interested in that. They want to get something out of this resistance they have put up, and I think that's very reasonable as well.

[Apparition of Jack]

The reason the world has experienced unprecedented levels of peace, trade and prosperity since WW2 is because of the rules-based international order that was established after it.

Wars are extremely destructive to economies, so it’s in everyone’s best interest to encourage a world where conflicts are resolved diplomatically, not militarily. If every country that had a gripe with another country (as Russia does with Ukraine) felt it could declare war, the world would become a far more chaotic, dangerous and impoverished place overnight. 
 

Russia broke those rules. Russia needs to be resisted because it can’t be allowed to show the world that settling minor diplomatic disputes with force is acceptable anymore. 
 

If Russia gets what it wants from Ukraine, what’s stopping China from invading Taiwan? Or North Korea invading South Korea? Or hell, even something like Ireland invading the UK? 
 

Borders and modern states exist for a reason. Sovereignty has to be respected least we all turn into colonial warmongers again. Just letting Russia roll over Ukraine because of some fake concern for Ukrainian civilians is foolhardy.

Oh yeah, and if Russia is so “desperate for peace” as they claim, they could just… stop the war and go home. They’re the aggressors; without them, there is no more violence. But they won’t, because they’re led by a madman with delusions of grandeur.

[Elliott]

'If everyone would just lay their arms down to dictators the world would eliminate bloodshed'. Russia has lost multiples more people than Ukraine has, so by your reasoning Russia should capitulate to Ukraine and Ukraine should take over Russia.

[Basman]

14 minutes ago, Elliott said:

'If everyone would just lay their arms down to dictators the world would eliminate bloodshed'. Russia has lost multiples more people than Ukraine has, so by your reasoning Russia should capitulate to Ukraine and Ukraine should take over Russia.

This is a false equivalency. Russia is more than willing to throw lives into the meat grinder via human meat waves and deliberate targeting of civilians. Their strategy is to throw numbers at the problem and be as brutal as possible in the process.

1 hour ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Wars are extremely destructive to economies, so it’s in everyone’s best interest to encourage a world where conflicts are resolved diplomatically, not militarily. If every country that had a gripe with another country (as Russia does with Ukraine) felt it could declare war, the world would become a far more chaotic, dangerous and impoverished place overnight. 

Inflation of groceries and energy prices here in Europe and elsewhere is in part due to the Ukraine war as Ukraine was a bread basket (and Europe was energy dependent on Russia). War is no longer an isolated affair to the same extent as it used to be.

[Rafael Thundercat]

@LordFall you would love to read Allan Bloom. 

Here is a sentence from his book:

Picture a thirteen-year-old boy sitting in the living room of his family home doing his math assignment while wearing his Walkman headphones or watching MTV. He enjoys the liberties hard won over centuries by the alliance of philosophic genius and political heroism, consecrated by the blood of martyrs; he is provided with comfort and leisure by the most productive economy ever known to mankind; science has penetrated the secrets of nature in order to provide him with the marvelous, lifelike electronic sound and image reproduction he is enjoying. And in what does progress culminate? A pubescent child whose body throbs with orgasmic rhythms; whose feelings are made articulate in hymns to the joys of onanism or the killing of parents; whose ambition is to win fame and wealth in imitating the drag-queen who makes the music. In short, life is made into a nonstop, commercially prepackaged masturbational fantasy.

Allan Bloom, The Closing of the American Mind

Contemplate what is his Bias

[Elliott]

5 hours ago, Basman said:

This is a false equivalency. Russia is more than willing to throw lives into the meat grinder via human meat waves and deliberate targeting of civilians. Their strategy is to throw numbers at the problem and be as brutal as possible in the process.

That's not a good reason to let them take over your country, the opposite actually.

[Raze]

There isn’t any indication Russia is preparing a total war with NATO. They would gain nothing from that, and potentially end civilization.

[Basman]

40 minutes ago, Elliott said:

That's not a good reason to let them take over your country, the opposite actually.

Sorry, I misunderstood what you meant. Though I don't think anyone said that Russia should concede sovereign territory (not contested) to Ukraine.

[Basman]

Destiny and the ambassador are right in that negotiation that concedes to Russian demands with no gain is just capitulation that leaves Ukraine vulnerable and isolated to another Russian assault. The leftist ego here is not wanting to sacrifice lives for long-term peace and stability. Its a spoiled attitude. This is what a just war is all about.

[Hojo]

@gambler He is  racist against natives.

[The Crocodile]

They will reincarnate.

[LordFall]

On 2/13/2025 at 10:34 PM, aurum said:

On 2/14/2025 at 8:25 AM, Raze said:

There isn’t any indication Russia is preparing a total war with NATO. They would gain nothing from that, and potentially end civilization.

Russia is not looking for total war with NATO. They could barely conquer a small amount of Ukraine territory.

This is a good video to watch on the topic. Russia gains huge advantage in a geopolitical climate of warfare as their economy is more industrial than high tech.