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Distinction between actuality and imagination/concepts

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@Someone here Contemplation is most useful when it allows you to change the State of Consciousness

You do much contemplation brother but it's like spinning your wheels in the mud, your state must shift from your contemplation. That's they key you're missing

God-Realize, this is First Business. Know that unless I live properly, this is not possible.

There is this body, I should know the requirements of my body. This is first duty.  We have obligations towards others, loved ones, family, society, etc. Without material wealth we cannot do these things, for that a professional duty.

There is Mind; mind is tricky. Its higher nature should be nurtured, then Mind becomes Wise, Virtuous and AWAKE. When all Duties are continuously fulfilled, then life becomes steady. In this steady life GOD is available; via 5-MeO-DMT, because The Sun shines through All: Living in Self-Love, Realizing I am Infinity & I am God

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4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Spiritual nihilism relativism. As expected. 

Seriously. Saying Reality is neutral is nihilism. OK, if you say so. Call it what you wish.

What you know leaves what you don't know and what you don't know is all there is. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Someone here said:

why is sugar sweet or why sweet is sweet

Taste buds. Sugar isn't sweet. The taste buds is the difference. Someone with no taste buds can't tell the difference, so it's the taste buds not the sugar.

What you know leaves what you don't know and what you don't know is all there is. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Davino said:

@Someone here Contemplation is most useful when it allows you to change the State of Consciousness

You do much contemplation brother but it's like spinning your wheels in the mud, your state must shift from your contemplation. That's they key you're missing

I want to feel the full glory and magnificence of God and reality . I want my body to be thrown into outer space and travel faster than the speed of light in all directions to the very edges of the observed universe which of course has no edges but I might enter into a black hole and after getting my body sucked into it I might enter a whole new dimension of existence. I want to explode into infinity. I want a complete Samadhi that keeps  my soul in a mystical sufi bless and awe forever and ever.

Shit out of luckk that I have no access to psychedelics..especially that i live in india which is probably the first culture that began the spiritual path😂 

 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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1 minute ago, Someone here said:

I want to feel the full glory and magnificence of God and reality

What are the strategic steps you are taking to make that into reality?

What is the plan you have in the next ten years to reach God-Consciousness?

God-Realize, this is First Business. Know that unless I live properly, this is not possible.

There is this body, I should know the requirements of my body. This is first duty.  We have obligations towards others, loved ones, family, society, etc. Without material wealth we cannot do these things, for that a professional duty.

There is Mind; mind is tricky. Its higher nature should be nurtured, then Mind becomes Wise, Virtuous and AWAKE. When all Duties are continuously fulfilled, then life becomes steady. In this steady life GOD is available; via 5-MeO-DMT, because The Sun shines through All: Living in Self-Love, Realizing I am Infinity & I am God

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4 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Taste buds. Sugar isn't sweet. The taste buds is the difference. Someone with no taste buds can't tell the difference, so it's the taste buds not the sugar.

That's just an example. The question I'm asking in general is why a thing is whatever it is ?. Water is wet . Why ? There is no answer. It just is whatever it is .nobody has the faintest clue .am i wrong ?

 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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3 minutes ago, Davino said:

What is the plan you have in the next ten years to reach God-Consciousness?

How can one make plans to reach God Consciousness in 10 yrs when time and space doesn't really exist. I'm not saying we don't live in time and space; but something as God Consciousness, if there's even such a thing can only be accessed now. We can make plans for our future and living in the dream, but you're also saying accessing God Consciousness is also a dream if you're placing it in the future that doesn't exist.

What you know leaves what you don't know and what you don't know is all there is. 

 

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@Davino Listening to what I said to Leo to Stop being lazy and get to it. All of the info i need is at my  fingertips. I just need the willingness and discipline to (correctly) use it.

With that being said I'm more awake than you .:P

 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

That's just an example. The question I'm asking in general is why a thing is whatever it is ?. Water is wet . Why ? There is no answer. It just is whatever it is .nobody has the faintest clue .am i wrong ?

No, we don't know why water is wet and we also don't know THAT water is actually wet and is not just appearing to be wet.

What you know leaves what you don't know and what you don't know is all there is. 

 

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46 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

How can one make plans to reach God Consciousness in 10 yrs when time and space doesn't really exist. I'm not saying we don't live in time and space; but something as God Consciousness, if there's even such a thing can only be accessed now. We can make plans for our future and living in the dream, but you're also saying accessing God Consciousness is also a dream if you're placing it in the future that doesn't exist.

And that's why you'll never reach God Consciousness. 

You are falling in the trap of burning your boat before crossing the river.

States do matter and only a subset of states of Consciousness allow for the realizations of Infinite Consciousness, Omnipresent, Omniscient, Omnipotent, Love, Truth, Perfection, Divinity... To reach such states it takes insane intelligence because reality is like an Infinite strange loop Rubik's cube, you'll have to hack your way to it, of course just to end up exactly at the beginning, always already the case is one facet as you pointed out.

Ultimately, you are God so only you can give it to YourSelf.

Help Yourself!

God-Realize, this is First Business. Know that unless I live properly, this is not possible.

There is this body, I should know the requirements of my body. This is first duty.  We have obligations towards others, loved ones, family, society, etc. Without material wealth we cannot do these things, for that a professional duty.

There is Mind; mind is tricky. Its higher nature should be nurtured, then Mind becomes Wise, Virtuous and AWAKE. When all Duties are continuously fulfilled, then life becomes steady. In this steady life GOD is available; via 5-MeO-DMT, because The Sun shines through All: Living in Self-Love, Realizing I am Infinity & I am God

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Just now, Davino said:

And that's why you'll never reach God Consciousness. 

Yes, God, because you know.

What you know leaves what you don't know and what you don't know is all there is. 

 

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52 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Davino Listening to what I said to Leo to Stop being lazy and get to it. All of the info i need is at my  fingertips. I just need the willingness and discipline to (correctly) use it.

With that being said I'm more awake than you .:P

Impossible! Nobody is more Awake than me:D:P:D

God-Realize, this is First Business. Know that unless I live properly, this is not possible.

There is this body, I should know the requirements of my body. This is first duty.  We have obligations towards others, loved ones, family, society, etc. Without material wealth we cannot do these things, for that a professional duty.

There is Mind; mind is tricky. Its higher nature should be nurtured, then Mind becomes Wise, Virtuous and AWAKE. When all Duties are continuously fulfilled, then life becomes steady. In this steady life GOD is available; via 5-MeO-DMT, because The Sun shines through All: Living in Self-Love, Realizing I am Infinity & I am God

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2 minutes ago, Davino said:

Ultimately, you are God so only you can give it to YourSelf.

Makes no sense that I have to reach myself.

What you know leaves what you don't know and what you don't know is all there is. 

 

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Just now, Princess Arabia said:

Yes, God, because you know.

Ask anyone that has reached God Consciousness if you'll arrive by that methodology. Go run an experiment 

Unless it strikes you by fluke luck like a lightning bolt it's not gonna happen by that methodology. Millions of people do that and ain't that much conscious after all

God-Realize, this is First Business. Know that unless I live properly, this is not possible.

There is this body, I should know the requirements of my body. This is first duty.  We have obligations towards others, loved ones, family, society, etc. Without material wealth we cannot do these things, for that a professional duty.

There is Mind; mind is tricky. Its higher nature should be nurtured, then Mind becomes Wise, Virtuous and AWAKE. When all Duties are continuously fulfilled, then life becomes steady. In this steady life GOD is available; via 5-MeO-DMT, because The Sun shines through All: Living in Self-Love, Realizing I am Infinity & I am God

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2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Makes no sense that I have to reach myself.

Makes no sense that I still have to discover myself, said the little child. I'm already myself!!!

His mother laughed and took him to school. By doing, growing, learning and interacting each day of your life you will discover yourself said. She kissed him and gave him the lunch food, wishing him a nice travel.

God-Realize, this is First Business. Know that unless I live properly, this is not possible.

There is this body, I should know the requirements of my body. This is first duty.  We have obligations towards others, loved ones, family, society, etc. Without material wealth we cannot do these things, for that a professional duty.

There is Mind; mind is tricky. Its higher nature should be nurtured, then Mind becomes Wise, Virtuous and AWAKE. When all Duties are continuously fulfilled, then life becomes steady. In this steady life GOD is available; via 5-MeO-DMT, because The Sun shines through All: Living in Self-Love, Realizing I am Infinity & I am God

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2 minutes ago, Davino said:

Ask anyone that has reached God Consciousness if you'll arrive by that methodology. Go run an experiment 

Unless it strikes you by fluke luck like a lightning bolt it's not gonna happen by that methodology. Millions of people do that and ain't that much conscious after all

I'm conscious enough to know that I appear to be conscious. BTW, what is God Consciousness.

What you know leaves what you don't know and what you don't know is all there is. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Davino said:

His mother laughed and took him to school. By doing, growing, learning and interacting each day of your life you will discover yourself said. She kissed him and gave him the lunch food, wishing him a nice travel.

Great! Experience that is.

What you know leaves what you don't know and what you don't know is all there is. 

 

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24 minutes ago, Davino said:

His mother laughed and took him to school. By doing, growing, learning and interacting each day of your life you will discover yourself said. She kissed him and gave him the lunch food, wishing him a nice travel.

Then the kid went to the school, He grew up, and with each passing day he became a little more distant from himself, until one day he said to himself: wow, how funny, I am completely alienated, confused, full of neuroses, anxiety and the prospects are rather dark/black! 

Then he thought: there is only one possible way: real awakening, the destruction of this structure that I call human, all of the lines that makes him, because are lines designed by a crazy architect. Then, in the middle of nowhere, absolutely alone, he found himself 

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On 1/3/2025 at 9:55 PM, Juns said:

 

In this video, @Leo Gura talks about the distinction between actuality and imagination/concepts and creates a distinction between your thoughts and concepts and the present conscious experience that you are having. He gave a few examples, such as science, reason, logic, and your life history.

My question is: if your concepts and imagination are a part of your present conscious experience, then isn't that just as real as the hand in front of your face? I generally understand what he is talking about; however, I just wanted to some clarification on this point.
 

You need the distinction to realize there is no distinction. 

 

Wisdom.  Truth.  Love.

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17 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

You need the distinction to realize there is no distinction. 

@Inliytened1 its difficult cuz there also is a distinction lol. the distinction is actually super important to realise at a certain point. its real, as an illusion

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