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Okay guys, I don't always agree with the TYT either, and I didn't expect everyone on this diverse forum to do so, so it's fine. Even less with Tucker Carlson, with whom I have way more problems than with the previous ones. He would never in a million years listen to a Muslim woman dressed like that as he has done with a Christian one, and that's a problem. But I'm not going to analyze their work further, not here and now, at least. 

I shared this video because I thought this was a perspective worth hearing about too, the Christian people's experience in Palestine. They are suffering similar experiences as the Muslim Palestinians at the hands of Zionists, probably less than them. The woman points out that Muslim people treat Christians well in Palestine, which is important to hear, as these people have been endlessly demonized. Ana Kasparian shares her family experience as well, as her Armenian grandmother was a refugee in Palestine in the 40s, and her mother told her that the Muslims there were very helpful and welcoming to the Armenian Christians. Her grandmother left when the violence by Zionists became a problem in Haifa in the year 47. So there's that.

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@Hatfort For sure those Stage Blue Zionists are genocidal scoundrels.


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2 hours ago, Hatfort said:

Her grandmother left when the violence by Zionists became a problem in Haifa in the year 47. So there's that.

The violence in '47 was bilateral. The violence in the area had been constant since 1920. Whose fault was it? Blame, blame, blame, blame. Victimism, victimism, victimism.

Year 7800. Humanity has transcended matter and has become a flow of pure interdimensional intelligence. Except for a small group who have created an artificial desert in the middle of the Milky Way, where they argue, dressed in funny costumes, about whose fault it was. Thanks to the possibility of time travel, they can review every event at a quantum level. They have all eternity to reach a conclusion.

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2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The violence in '47 was bilateral. The violence in the area had been constant since 1920. Whose fault was it? Blame, blame, blame, blame. Victimism, victimism, victimism.

Year 7800. Humanity has transcended matter and has become a flow of pure interdimensional intelligence. Except for a small group who have created an artificial desert in the middle of the Milky Way, where they argue, dressed in funny costumes, about whose fault it was. Thanks to the possibility of time travel, they can review every event at a quantum level. They have all eternity to reach a conclusion.

It was the colonizers' fault. I don't blame the native inhabitants of that land, the Palestinians, who were there before, basically civilians with no real equipment to face the armies from foreign countries that were coming to steal their homes and lands by violently murdering them. That has continued at different paces for 80 years, now we're watching another big episode with a genocide going on in Gaza.

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7 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

It was the colonizers' fault. I don't blame the native inhabitants of that land, the Palestinians, who were there before, basically civilians with no real equipment to face the armies from foreign countries that were coming to steal their homes and lands by violently murdering them. That has continued at different paces for 80 years, now we're watching another big episode with a genocide going on in Gaza.

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@Breakingthewall

Zionists are experts in playing the victim, but what history tells us is that the Palestinians were in that land, being quite generous with refugees of different creeds in general. Zionists got to have a better army thanks to Western help, from where they were mostly coming from, and they violently murdered and displaced the Palestinians. Palestinians wouldn't have let that happen if they had a better army, obviously, who would blame them from that? No one in their sane minds. But they didn't. The thing is, they are the ones that were there before, the Zionists came from countless different places, mainly from Europe. That's why it looks and feels more like Europe than the rest of the Middle East. 

So at least don't play the victims. We all know you will, though, that's all you do. While you commit the most atrocious crimes we are seeing this century.

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10 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

@Breakingthewall

Zionists are experts in playing the victim, but what history tells us is that the Palestinians were in that land, being quite generous with refugees of different creeds in general. Zionists got to have a better army thanks to Western help, from where they were mostly coming from, and they violently murdered and displaced the Palestinians. Palestinians wouldn't have let that happen if they had a better army, obviously, who would blame them from that? No one in their sane minds. But they didn't. The thing is, they are the ones that were there before, the Zionists came from countless different places, mainly from Europe. That's why it looks and feels more like Europe than the rest of the Middle East. 

So at least don't play the victims. We all know you will, though, that's all you do. While you commit the most atrocious crimes we are seeing this century.

Man, that victimism only leads to death. Watch the explanation of Clinton. Who knows what happened 100 years ago, who cares? A lot of shit around the world, let's think in today. Let's see if those Palestinian want to become engineers, doctors, artist, free minds, philosopher, biologist, mystics, models, porn actors, drag queens, astronauts. Life worths more than complain, blame and cry 100 years every single day

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Man, that victimism only leads to death. Watch the explanation of Clinton. Who knows what happened 100 years ago, who cares? A lot of shit around the world, let's think in today. Let's see if those Palestinian want to become engineers, doctors, artist, free minds, philosopher, biologist, mystics, models, porn actors, drag queens, astronauts. Life worths more than complain, blame and cry 100 years every single day

Look, I get it. Zionist had a better army, and they stole the land from the Palestinians violently murdering and displacing them. Palestinians sometimes fight back, and then Zionists play the victims, but let me tell you that that's ridiculous in the big picture.

Zionists have the advantage of receiving a blank check of money from the US taxpayers. It's crazy how Israelis get to have free healthcare, free education including college, are given practically free homes in the settlements, and are paid good pensions too, while the US citizens aren't even close to getting those benefits. You can only sustain that violent colony by parasiting the United States. 

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1 hour ago, Hatfort said:

Look, I get it. Zionist had a better army, and they stole the land from the Palestinians violently murdering and displacing them. Palestinians sometimes fight back, and then Zionists play the victims, but let me tell you that that's ridiculous in the big picture.

Zionists have the advantage of receiving a blank check of money from the US taxpayers. It's crazy how Israelis get to have free healthcare, free education including college, are given practically free homes in the settlements, and are paid good pensions too, while the US citizens aren't even close to getting those benefits. You can only sustain that violent colony by parasiting the United States. 

1 hour ago, Hatfort said:

 

The Palestinians declared several wars of extermination against Israel, supported by coalitions of Arab countries totaling hundreds of millions of inhabitants. Unfortunately, they lost, and were therefore unable to establish their dreamed-of Islamic utopia where gays are hanged, women stoned, and girls sold. Such is life. So, all that remains is to reconcile and adapt.

Regarding the Israeli economy, it is very strong in technology, agriculture, and other areas. It is a dynamic, living society. Not utopian like Iran, Afghanistan, or Syria, but trying to improve

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Zionists are like a cuckoo bird.


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has this thread mentioned anything about the IDF soldier in the who gave testimony first in the Parliament (Knesset) on July 10th, 2024. He talks about the stand down orders on Oct 7th.

"It is not revealed yet, as far as I know, why this order was given or by whom, but the order was given at 5:20am, clearly proving that the battalion commander is forbidding patrols to get close to the fence till 9am that day."

https://x.com/efenigson/status/1950981841055314297

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10 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The Palestinians declared several wars of extermination against Israel, supported by coalitions of Arab countries totaling hundreds of millions of inhabitants. Unfortunately, they lost, and were therefore unable to establish their dreamed-of Islamic utopia where gays are hanged, women stoned, and girls sold. Such is life. So, all that remains is to reconcile and adapt.

Regarding the Israeli economy, it is very strong in technology, agriculture, and other areas. It is a dynamic, living society. Not utopian like Iran, Afghanistan, or Syria, but trying to improve

If Israel's economy were good, it would pay for the weapons it uses like the rest of the countries do. But no, US taxpayers provide billions of dollars nonstop to sustain that. With that covered, Israeli citizens get to have benefits that US citizens don't, like free education and healthcare. Israel is a parasite leeching US citizens' money, and they get to enjoy a more comfortable life than them at their expense.

Americans are getting tired of this Israel-first policy, like it's normal. They are also getting aware that they are supporting a country of genocidal maniacs, because they see the devastating images that are coming from Gaza and the West Bank, not even Republicans like that, they have a limit.

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18 hours ago, Hatfort said:

as these people have been endlessly demonized.

Israelis are too endlessly demonized by people who only see their country through heavy filters built by Youtubers who have never visited there.

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8 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Israelis are too endlessly demonized by people who only see their country through heavy filters built by Youtubers who have never visited there.

People today are seeing the photo and video evidence and the testimonies of people from Gaza live, as well as the horrible things that Israel is doing to the people in the West Bank. Israel only invites YouTubers who feed their Hasbara narratives. Journalists are being targeted killed in fact, which is not new, that was before 2023 too. 

People have not visited Nazi Germany, but they can see the historical photo evidence and testimonies to know what happened. The same about the Nakbas in Palestine, there are pictures and testimonies. There is a documentary about the town of Tantura with old Zionists laughing about how they kicked the civilians out of there, raped minor girls, and lined men up to shoot them one by one. 

 

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On Israeli deception:

One thing that is disingenuous I think is this blame shifting on “da Jews” or Israelis for most of US foreign policy. I see Sachs, Mearsheimer, Tucker and the right wing simply omitting how the US itself benefits from control and forceful domination of the Middle Eastern region to maintain their petro dollar that underpins their entire empires hegemony.

Classic scapegoating to make them look squeaky clean. See how they deceptively manage the narrative and flip on Israel rhetorically yet support it in action and materially to aid it in its massacring of Palestinians. Even now with the flotilla - naval ships escorted them towards Israel but not to the coast of Gaza - just wanna look like their doing something to release the pressure of domestic anger - which didn’t work as now protests are happening across Europe.

Same thing with the recognition of Palestine. How about recognizing the double game being played and not being taken for a fool. We’re hip to the game now. US is big devil whilst Israel is lil devil.

Open challenge to the forum to challenge me on what I say. 

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3 hours ago, Hatfort said:

Israel only invites YouTubers who feed their Hasbara narratives.

And pro Palestinians only watch YouTubers who feed their biased narratives on Israel and their demonization. It is like you bring me to see every day videos from Mosul and I will tell you my opinion on US society and US establishment and origin devilery 😉

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2 hours ago, zazen said:

US is big devil whilst Israel is lil devil.

Not all countries can be paradigms of goodness and justice like Iran, Syria, yemen or Saudi Arabia . Well, maybe china, who's selling weapons in Sudan to both sides. 

Welcome to the real world: humans are, let's say, not saints

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55 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Not all countries can be paradigms of goodness and justice like Iran, Syria, yemen or Saudi Arabia . Well, maybe china, who's selling weapons in Sudan to both sides. 

Welcome to the real world: humans are, let's say, not saints

Are any of those countries maintaining a global empire, running a worldwide network of military bases, invading countries on false pretenses every few years, sanctioning a third of the world's population, and backing an active ethnic cleansing / genocide or colonialism if that's what you want to call it?

Scale and affect matters. The US isn't just another country on the list of human rights abusers - they're the primary country that maintains the global system in which those abuses flourish, including underwriting Israel and its abuses in its entirety.

By your logic, we shouldn’t single out the Holocaust either because '‘humans aren’t saints.'’ We all know that’s ridiculous - some crimes are bigger, systemic and world shaping. We have zero to little influence over what the Iranian, Chinese or Saudi government does - but we possibly do over our own in the West where our taxes oil the gears of the empire. That means we have a different relationship to US and Israeli crimes than we do to anyone else's.

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53 minutes ago, zazen said:

your logic, we shouldn’t single out the Holocaust either because '‘humans aren’t saints.'’ We all know that’s ridiculous - some crimes are bigger, systemic and world shaping. We have zero to little influence over what the Iranian, Chinese or Saudi government does - but we possibly do over our own in the West where our taxes oil the gears of the empire. That means we have a different relationship to US and Israeli crimes than we do to anyone else's.

4 hours ago, zazen said:

 

Americans are greedy, and their greed leads them to commit some pretty serious crimes, like pushing for the war in Ukraine, but their ideals are justice and freedom. In their human imperfection, they often do the opposite.

The Holocaust, on the other hand, stems from other ideals: racial superiority and the rule of the strong over the weak. If the Nazis were the world empire, or the Japanese, things would be interesting.

It's fine to criticize the United States, but repeating that they're demons is childish. 

Churchill, that admired stadist, contributed with his politics to the famine of madras. When he was asked to send help he answered that was not necessary because indians procreate as rabbits 

Mao or Stalin weren't saints neither, same the hutus or the Aztecs. Maybe the Americans neither, but in comparison with the whole aren not "demons"

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