Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Leo Gura]

39 minutes ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

@Leo Gura The kind of truth you're referring to—about masculine vs. feminine modes of perception—isn’t the same kind of truth you usually mean when you talk about truth in a philosophical or epistemic sense. Isn't it confusing to use the same word for such fundamentally different things?

There is a relationship between relative truth and absolute truth.

You can't just treat them as separate domains since truth is ultimately One.

Becoming more clear on relative truth is a huge part of this work.

For example, figuring out how to get laid requires truth, requires understanding how women actually work vs fantasies.

Edited June 21 by Leo Gura

[RendHeaven]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

requires understanding how women actually work vs fantasies.

noooo but leo its all looks and moneyyy

it's hopeless 

[Daniel Balan]

23 minutes ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

@Leo Gura The kind of truth you're referring to—about masculine vs. feminine modes of perception—isn’t the same kind of truth you usually mean when you talk about truth in a philosophical or epistemic sense. Isn't it confusing to use the same word for such fundamentally different things?

@Leo GuraThats exactly my complaint too! The word truth has lost all its meaning! I think every instance of the word truth in the blog post should have been replaced with selfishness, survival, greed, domination of other, survival intelligence, competition, exploitation, accurate understanding of reality. I totally agree with Leo that men fare better at surviving than women, but this has nothing to to with truth! In my eyes, selfishness has nothing to do with the truth, Usually the ones doing the best at survival are the least truthful, the most deceitful, the most corrupt, and the most bloodthirsty individuals! They are like a crocodile waiting to disembowel you if they get the chance to do so! Leo posted prior about that BS spreader Andrew Hubermann who makes billions by selling powdered supplements. How is that thief valuing truth? Just because he is a master at exploiting and deceiving people into buying crap ain't no hallmark of truth! Just because you are able to accurately make sense of reality doesn't make one truthful. Being able to observe that once you manipulate the massed with bs words and stories, they buy whatever you sell them, is a sign of survival intelligence and a sign of endless greed and corruption, not truth! So please Leo, stop using the word truth to describe greed! I usually agree with all your posts, I agree with that one too, but the word truth has a purity attached to it, and none of the dealings that ensure mankind's survival, have anything to do with truth! Selfishness, greed, exploiting & scamming others of their resources ≠ truth! 

[RendHeaven]

1 minute ago, Daniel Balan said:

@Leo GuraThats exactly my complaint too! The word truth has lost all its meaning! I think every instance of the word truth in the blog post should have been replaced with selfishness, survival, greed, domination of other, survival intelligence, competition, exploitation, accurate understanding of reality. I totally agree with Leo that men fare better at surviving than women, but this has nothing to to with truth! In my eyes, selfishness has nothing to do with the truth, Usually the ones doing the best at survival are the least truthful, the most deceitful, the most corrupt, and the most bloodthirsty individuals! They are like a crocodile waiting to disembowel you if they get the chance to do so! Leo posted prior about that BS spreader Andrew Hubermann who makes billions by selling powdered supplements. How is that thief valuing truth? Just because he is a master at exploiting and deceiving people into buying crap ain't no hallmark of truth! Just because you are able to accurately make sense of reality doesn't make one truthful. Being able to observe that once you manipulate the massed with bs words and stories, they buy whatever you sell them, is a sign of survival intelligence and a sign of endless greed and corruption, not truth! So please Leo, stop using the word truth to describe greed! I usually agree with all your posts, I agree with that one too, but the word truth has a purity attached to it, and none of the dealings that ensure mankind's survival, have anything to do with truth! Selfishness, greed, exploiting & scamming others of their resources ≠ truth! 

your posts always make me smile lol, the excessive exclamation points give this impression of wholesome yelling 

[Leo Gura]

@Daniel Balan You are missing the important insight that masculinity priorizes truth over feelings while femininity does the opposite.

Don't get blinded by stubbornness.

Every time you guys try to debunk my blog posts you are missing important lessons. Would be wiser to not get distracted and extract the lesson.

Edited June 21 by Leo Gura

[Daniel Balan]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Daniel Balan You are missing the important insight that masculinity priorizes survival over feelings.

Don't get blinded by your stubborness.

Now I agree with you!

[Daniel Balan]

4 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

your posts always make me smile lol, the excessive exclamation points give this impression of wholesome yelling 

Haha! That was my point of using "!" all along. To make the reader feel the indignation with which I write! 

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

Now I agree with you!

No!

You are still missing two key insights:

1. Masculinity values truth
2. Survival requires truth

Stop acting too cool for school.

Edited June 21 by Leo Gura

[Daniel Balan]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Daniel Balan You are missing the important insight that masculinity priorizes truth over feelings.

Don't get blinded by your stubborness.

If you would be right, then men would behave more truthfully! Which is not the case! Most men are run by greed not truth! Does owning 5 yachts have to do anything with truth? Once you have one or two houses do you need another 7 of them to earn passive income off of them? Hell no! You would behave truthfully and not buy those, so others can have their house too! Once you have a woman would you try to have another 10 women in your rotation? Hell no! You would behave truthfully and love your partener both making her loved and happy and allowing other 10 men each have one woman partner by not taking all 10 for yourself. Behaving truthfully means sometimes sacrificing some survival benefits for truth! Hoarding endless wealth and resources signals devilry, not truth!

[Leo Gura]

Just now, Daniel Balan said:

Most men are run by greed not truth!

That doesn't contradict what I said.

You are looking at it too much from one lens. Try another lens. It won't kill you.

[Miguel1]

18 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

BS spreader Andrew Hubermann who makes billions by selling powdered supplements. How is that thief valuing truth? Just because he is a master at exploiting and deceiving people into buying crap ain't no hallmark of truth!

He would not be making that money, had he not realized the truth that most people are dumb as hell, and they need to be sold supplements BS, and not God.

[MuadDib]

I'd say masculinity prioritises thinking over feeling. Not necessarily truth over feeling.

Is thought a better vehicle to arrive at truth? Perhaps, but I'm not entirely convinced.

It might simply be the case that survival is generally easier as a man, and so truth seeking is easier. Not so much that men have a higher intrinsic capacity for it because of their masculinity.

Men and women don't generally value truth primarily. They value survival, and truth insofar as it augments survival. Women meet their objectives primarily through feelings, and men with thinking.

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

He would not be making that money, had he not realized the truth that most people are dumb as hell

Ahahahahaha 

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, MuadDib said:

men have a higher intrinsic capacity for it because of their masculinity.

That is exactly my point.

But hey, feel free to reject it.

[RendHeaven]

2 minutes ago, MuadDib said:

I'd say masculinity prioritises thinking over feeling. Not necessarily truth over feeling.

Is thought a better vehicle to arrive at truth? Perhaps, but I'm not entirely convinced

No, the dichotomy is genuinely truth vs feeling.

Case in point, my earlier silly example about the girl asking if she looks fat or not. She intentionally doesn't want to hear the truth

Whereas a guy asking the same question is positing a logistical query. Is my belly popping yes or no?

The reason the feminine-coded POV here is anti-truth is because reality-mapping becomes strictly secondary to the positive feelings she is seeking.

[Daniel Balan]

19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No!

You are still missing two key insights:

1. Masculinity values truth
2. Survival requires truth

Stop acting too cool for school.

I don't see how survival corelates with truth one bit! From my life experience I saw that those with the biggest mansions and nicest cars exploited other humans and nature the most, had 10 mistresses, paid dirt wages to their employees, worked them 14 hours a day, were friends with all corrupt politicians and religious figures and so on! While the men or women who valued truth were exploited by those you defend for valuing "truth"! I know men who didn't steal a penny in their life, who respect their family, and behave friendly and with respect towards all beings while earning 500 €/ month. Those are far more truthful men than those who earn 6 figures, exploit every human or animal for their benefit, rape the earth of its resources and pollute it, beat their wife when they go home, and cheats  on his partner at every chance! I reckon the first man in my example is far more truthful than the second, despite doing more poorly at survival!

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[Daniel Balan]

10 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

He would not be making that money, had he not realized the truth that most people are dumb as hell, and they need to be sold supplements BS, and not God.

This is devilry! Not truth! Truth means caring for your costumers, not milking them like cows!

[RendHeaven]

1 minute ago, Daniel Balan said:

I don't see how survival corelates with truth one bit! From my life experience I saw that those with the biggest mansions and nicest cars exploited other humans and nature the most, had 10 mistresses, paid dirt wages to their employees, worked them 14 hours a day, were friends with all corrupt politicians and religious figures and so on! While the men or women who valued truth were exploited by those you defend for valuing "truth"! I know men who didn't steal a penny in their life, who respect their family, and behave friendly and with respect towards all beings while earning 500 €/ month. Those are far more truthful men than those who earn 6 figures, exploit every human or animal for their benefit, rape the earth of its resources and pollute it, beat their wife when he goes home, and cheats his partner at every chance! I reckon the first man in my example is far more truthful than the second, despite doing more poorly at survival!

but you're comparing men vs men now.

regardless of how they stack up against each other, on average they will both prefer to interpret sense data in a self-consistent manner

whereas the average woman will choose to interpret sense data in whichever way sparks joy

[Natasha Tori Maru]

There is a functional truth to feeling & emotion (ie it has survival purposes). The masculine & feminine see truth and value it in different domains. 

If you are about to be shanked by some dickhead, fear is going to fucking motivate you. Fear is serving survival. Survival is truth. 

I see a lot of interplay between feelings & truth. 

I don't see feeling vs truth.

[MuadDib]

7 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

No, the dichotomy is genuinely truth vs feeling.

Case in point, my earlier silly example about the girl asking if she looks fat or not. She intentionally doesn't want to hear the truth

Whereas a guy asking the same question is positing a logistical query. Is my belly popping yes or no?

The reason the feminine-coded POV here is anti-truth is because reality-mapping becomes strictly secondary to the positive feelings she is seeking.

Shes asking a question to probe for a deeper truth.

Namely, do you love me in spite of my flaws?

Truth is the handmaiden of Love.