Why TikTok Should or Shouldn’t be Banned?

[Juan]

Personally I don’t want to, I grow a lot as an artist there. What are you guys thoughts about it? 

[Whitney Edwards]

I don't know where to begin but TikTok is pure poison. Avoid at all costs. 

 

[Danioover9000]

@Juan

2 hours ago, Juan said:

Personally I don’t want to, I grow a lot as an artist there. What are you guys thoughts about it? 

   My thoughts are Tik Tok SHOULD BE HEAVILY REGULATED. If not, BANNED! Too many children on iphone tablets experiencing brain rot from these predatory social media sites, especially Tik Tok. It's that bad that the CCP of China had to make 2 versions of Tik Tok, one mostly about S.T.E.M topics, and the other unregulated one is given to ByteDance for western audiences. How people are still unaware of this ideological and information warfare, of how China's long term goal of destroying western minds for future generations and is now slowly catching up is abysmal leadership by the west.

[Juan]

2 hours ago, Buck Edwards said:

I don't know where to begin but TikTok is pure poison. Avoid at all costs. 

This is not a reasonable nor strong argument.

44 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

Too many children on iphone tablets experiencing brain rot from these predatory social media sites, especially Tik Tok.

This could apply to any other social like youtube and instagram, so idk why TikTok bother you more compared to the others. 
 

44 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

It's that bad that the CCP of China had to make 2 versions of Tik Tok, one mostly about S.T.E.M topics, and the other unregulated one is given to ByteDance for western audiences. How people are still unaware of this ideological and information warfare, of how China's long term goal of destroying western minds for future generations and is now slowly catching up is abysmal leadership by the west.

There is nothing wrong to have different versions. Even using Uber for example when I visit the US the app options change and all. TikTok is very regulated tho compared to how it started, you won’t find porn and other adult content, you can’t even hashtag 420. So I think your argument is not that reasonable when you have other socials doing the same if not worst like Twitter and Reddit. 

Edited April 26, 2024 by Juan

[thenondualtankie]

I think we will need to come up with ways of regulating the addictive properties of social media. Which can involve banning ultra-stimulating shit like TikTok.

The problem is of course that this hurts creators and businesses, so maybe we could enforce 'anti-addictive' features in apps like these, which we'd have to be creative about.

Unfortunately the current ban discussion has nothing to do with this, it's just geopolitical warfare.

[Danioover9000]

@Juan

17 minutes ago, Juan said:

This is not a reasonable nor strong argument.

This could apply to any other social like youtube and instagram, so idk why TikTok bother you more compared to the others. 
 

There is nothing wrong to have different versions. Even using Uber for example when I visit the US the app options change and all. TikTok is very regulated tho compared to how it started, you won’t find porn and other adult content, you can’t even hashtag 420. So I think your argument is not that reasonable when you have other socials doing the same if not worst like Twitter and Reddit. 

   Because it applies especially to Tik Tok! YouTube and Instagram for example still have time markers, while Tik Tok clips don't, which manipulates perception of time for the users. YouTube and Instagram do not contain much addictive imaging and audio stimuli, meanwhile Tik Tok has massive amounts of addictive stimuli and scroll time. YouTube and Instagram do not contain that much sexy stuff and shady sexy things shown, meanwhile 1/3 of Tik Tok did contain shady sexy stuff. YouTube and Instagram never had to make a S.T.E.M only section and has recently applied filters and sections intended to be more family friendly, meanwhile CCP China had to heavily regulate their Tik Tok and give ByteDance the unregulated stuff to sell abroad western audiences. Even YouTube felt the need to copy their formula a bit to introduce shorts, which is mostly garbage level content even @Leo Gura has moral qualms about for his content!

 

 

 

Edited April 26, 2024 by Danioover9000

[Danioover9000]

@thenondualtankie

11 minutes ago, thenondualtankie said:

I think we will need to come up with ways of regulating the addictive properties of social media. Which can involve banning ultra-stimulating shit like TikTok.

The problem is of course that this hurts creators and businesses, so maybe we could enforce 'anti-addictive' features in apps like these, which we'd have to be creative about.

Unfortunately the current ban discussion has nothing to do with this, it's just geopolitical warfare.

   I agree it's geopolitical warfare and soft invasion into young western minds by China.

   It may well be a bit disruptive for those creators and businesses heavily relying on marketing via Tik Tok, but that's their risk of investing into such a dangerous app in the first place. Also, Vines before Tik Tok did well but Facebook didn't capitalize enough that Vines ended shortly, but ByteDance with CCP help and funding with Tik Tok is now like vines but more money to creators and more addictive. They are devils.

   I also agree, either heavily sanction or outright ban Tik Tok to send a strong message to CCP that this type of soft invasion ain't tolerable!

[Leo Gura]

I'm conflicted on this ban. It's a mixed bag.

TikTok is trashy, but now all that traffic or business is gonna go to some US tech monopoly.

Edited April 26, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Whitney Edwards]

41 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I'm conflicted on this ban. It's a mixed bag.

TikTok is trashy, but now all that traffic or business is gonna go to some US tech monopoly.

Or Elon Musk owns it..and renames it as TOK-X. 😉

Edited April 26, 2024 by Buck Edwards

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

37 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I'm conflicted on this ban. It's a mixed bag.

TikTok is trashy, but now all that traffic or business is gonna go to some US tech monopoly.

   Which is why I'm offering not just a ban, but heavier regulation of Tik Tok. Tik Tok isn't doing itself any favors by not trying to increase more knowledge or educational clips to try and not make it mostly trashy BS click baits.

   Oh and before I forget @Juan's framing is a false dilemma here, as I've demonstrated a market or something isn't limited to should/shouldn't ban, but there's also regulation levels to consider as well or other alternatives.

[Danioover9000]

@Buck Edwards

2 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

Or Elon Musk owns it.. 

   STOP! Elon's got Twitter-sorry X- don't give him anymore ideas. I want him to actually refocus and make some cool stuff in Tesla or SpaceX and not to clown so much in X. Elon's gonna be a legit addict to Tik Tok if he takes it over, and then when that happens we'll legit have a strong argument to ban Tik Tok then.

[Whitney Edwards]

Just now, Danioover9000 said:

@Buck Edwards

   STOP! Elon's got Twitter-sorry X- don't give him anymore ideas. I want him to actually refocus and make some cool stuff in Tesla or SpaceX and not to clown so much in X. Elon's gonna be a legit addict to Tik Tok if he takes it over, and then when that happens we'll legit have a strong argument to ban Tik Tok then.

He is already munching on that idea in his bunker probably. 

[Merkabah Star]

I’m not on TikTok or facebook or instagram or twitter, but dont think tik tok should be banned. If i was tik tok, i would just middle finger the US and let people just use VPNs to access from the USA. 

Another reason why Biden will lose the election. 

[Whitney Edwards]

6 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said:

I’m not on TikTok or facebook or instagram or twitter, but dont think tik tok should be banned. If i was tik tok, i would just middle finger the US and let people just use VPNs to access from the USA. 

Another reason why Biden will lose the election. 

If Trump is in favor of TikTok, another L for him. Didn't catch up with him in a while. 

[Merkabah Star]

2 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

If Trump is in favor of TikTok, another L for him. Didn't catch up with him in a while. 

Quote

Trump said in a post on his Truth Social platform on Monday that Biden would be "responsible for banning TikTok. He is the one pushing it to close, and doing it to help his friends over at Facebook become richer and more dominant."

Trump then urged younger voters - who make up a significant portion of the TikTok user base - to consider Biden's position on Election Day.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-biden-would-be-responsible-any-tiktok-ban-2024-04-22/

Trump wanted it banned when he was president, now has done a full flip. 😂. 

[Leo Gura]

46 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

Or Elon Musk owns it..and renames it as TOK-X. 😉

Musk doesn't have enough money to buy it.

But if he did, he could rename it: ToXic.

[Juan]

2 hours ago, thenondualtankie said:

Which can involve banning ultra-stimulating shit like TikTok

Many of you guys focus on this when other bigger socials have the same thing if not worst, again, like twitter and reddit which you can see even porn on them. 

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

TikTok is trashy

This is the perception of the people who haven’t use it and just see what the news says about it, so it’s not your direct experience.

Yes there is a lot of trash on it, I would even ban a couple of people in the platform for stupidity, but again so the other socials and they allow NSFW. I would assume this opinion is based because “they are short videos” so that makes it addictive, trashy and low quality, but again no, your feed is gonna be based of the stuff you search, and you can upload up to 10 minutes but sure shorts are predominant. 

[Leo Gura]

@Juan The format of shorts is inherently trashy.

I see shorts on YT and Instagram. They are a waste of time. I don't want to be on a platform that is made entirely of shorts and no way to control the content but endless scrolling. This is a trash format designed for mindless addicted rats.

Edited April 27, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Juan]

@Leo Gura Fair enough

[mmKay]

For example, content like this is actually all right, but the editing style just fries my brain... just bombards you in the first 20 seconds alone