Joseph Maynor

I felt like they pushed back in ways that were reasonable to have a full conversation. I can tell this was a discussion among artists. You have to expect a difference of opinion and even value that -- and even more, celebrate that through a higher relation.

I agree.

I agree in part with this. But I can sense a desire to be right in a lot of people who don't claim truth explicitly, but it's written all over their energy.

Awesome. Watching now.

No one is morally relativistic consistently. Even those who say there is no right and wrong operate with ethics, as much as they try to deny this. It's better to be honest and admit that all of us operate with a sense of right and wrong.

Listening is part of Love too in the sense that everyone has something slightly different to say. This should be expected and appreciated. This is what allows people to feel safe around you. Truth contains every finite perspective. Love is the embodiment of this insight.

Truth allows creation from the finite to be much more enjoyable and consistent because the Infinite and finite are joined, no longer at odds.

Truth is odd because it's supposed to make you less sensitive because you have Truth, but then because you think you have Truth, you also think others are wrong more easily. This isn't really a bug, it's a feature. It's why a Love integration is needed after a Truth integration IMO.

I wasn't speaking for you. I was reacting to your response. You inspired me to respond. But this has nothing to do with you.

I hope so.

Who here has remained in a single state? I've interacted with most of you over time, some of you for a long time. Who hasn't improved over time? Only the most stubborn people do not develop over time. And these can include spiritual people. That's not the factor: The factor seems to be a willingness to explore and listen and grow over time.

Honestly, I don't see anyone who is not gripped by ego, and I don't see ego as bad. This doesn't mean there is no right or wrong though. It's common to link ego with wrongness, which is an over-gloss in my opinion. I just see ego as a finite self. You could have a Truth realization and still have any number of egos with it. I think we're assuming Truth realization requires a specific type of ego. I tend not to do this because I've seen a lot false personas arising from feeling like "I need to become unconditioned from ego".

I know this is controversial, but I kind of agree that since Truth comes from the inside, it's available to everyone. Talking about it is a different thing. Now you're comparing spiritual teachers or gurus. But when it comes to internal realization, I don't see how there could be more or less talented practitioners. It's only you finding Truth. Please disagree with this, I'm not trying to invalidate anyone just expressing this nuance.

Energy and inspiration are overlooked in any kind of change and healing. Scientific approaches aren't always the best at causing these. This is why alternative treatments work, because they inspire you to feel differently or even motivate you to change (create differently).

They're not separate. This is where not-two actually applies ironically.

Yes because part of Truth includes the finite and we all embody the finite which is ego. You can't have a finite perspective that is Infinite. The finite is joined with the Infinite. We experience both Infinity and the finite.

I guess it comes down to: Do we have access to Truth or not? If not, then that's a kind of Truth too. At least it's expressed that way because people take it seriously. But either way -- we all seem to have a need for a kind of Foundation or a desire for one, otherwise, why are we arguing about it? There would be no need to be right. We would simply realize it's a foolish endeavor at bottom, and move on without it. Most people seem to desire and even claim to have a sense of Truth, even if they try really hard to conceal this by being indirect or coy or even humorous. They still have a stake in Truth and try to make points. Even the no separate self -- there is nothing happening -- people.

I find it really odd that someone could convince me that Truth is something that I cannot find.

Is this necessarily bad or wrong? What is the alternative?