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@Jamie Universe You notice what the difference is. That’s all that matters. What I think / my meaning really doesn’t matter and would just muddy it.

@Rebec post the reference material if you don’t mind. Clearly, I am a walking talking personality disorder, just curious to see the specifics on where you’re post is coming from. Thanks! ❤️

@Monkey-man So, what do you make of all this? Great post btw.

@SOUL Once you experience what is real, what is absolute, all else is revealed to be the illusion. It can’t be communicated. You’d have to experience it for yourself to have clarity on the things in your last post. Of course I love my kids. Lol. Of course you, me and them are in reality the absolute, and in every other way - an illusion. Edit: The moon is not there when you’re not looking at it. And if I was any more joyful right now, I’d explode I think. Love you Soul!

@SOUL No third. It’s a loop. There’s no observer. The wave, and the particle, and the ‘observer’ are the illusion of the absolute. Superposition would be “between” the illusion and the absolute (but illusionary).

@SOUL It seems to me there is being, which is very far “outside” of spacetime and the illusion is anchored to the being with what we otherwise refer to as gravity, in superposition / potentiality - relative to the experience of it, and being is being aware.... awareness which is entanglement, or not in time, but not out of time, due to entanglement / no time, this “process” (really it’s magic) is experienced as the present - light / wave duality - collapsed..., but only if within it is a false “perception” of observation, resulting in us thinking we’re alive, and time is passing. I’m sure it could work backwards but I have no idea how.

@sarapr I would (if you’re in a good mood) look into how it is that you’re not alive right now. Then you might be free of that. Also, just go ahead and hug yourself, like, you’re right there. Extend your arms out in front of you like a big X, then pretend you’re grabbing two ropes, and slowly pull them towards yourself. Lol ❤️

@PetarKa It’s less like something will happen, more like you stand to experience what is actually happening aside from ‘your involvement’. (Not literally true). This might help. You probably already saw it but.... Do Nothing Meditation Many respected spiritual traditions, including Buddhism and Hindu Advaita just to name two, claim that the highest state of spiritual communion is actually present in our minds at all times. And yet many meditation techniques focus on creating some special state that wasn't there before the meditation, and which goes away at some point after the meditation. If the highest state is actually present all the time, shouldn't it be possible to simply notice it without inducing some change, or special state? That is exactly the purpose of the Do Nothing Meditation. This technique (which is really an un-technique) will allow you to contact the highest spiritual state without actually doing anything. Each time you notice an intention to control or direct your attention, give it up. 1. There is no need to get into any particular posture, unless you feel like it. 2. Do not position your attention in any particular way. 3. Let whatever happens happen. 4. Any time you notice yourself doing anything intentionally, stop. Doing anything intentionally means something you can voluntarily control, and therefore can stop. If you cannot stop doing something, then it's not intentional, and therefore you don't need to try to stop doing it. So. Anything you can stop doing, stop doing. Some examples of things you can stop doing are: * Intentionally thinking * Trying to focus on something specific * Trying to have equanimity * Trying to keep track of what's going on * Trying to meditate Let go of doing anything like this. 5. Keep doing nothing for at least 10 minutes, or as long as you like. CAUTIONS: It may be difficult for some people to notice any difference between the Do Nothing meditation and gross "monkey mind," that is, the ceaseless, driven and fixated thoughts of the everyday neurotic mind. If this seems to be the case for you, it may be helpful to do a more structured technique.

@SOUL ❤️?

@Nathan If I’m hearing you accurately......that’s awesome to hear man. ?

@SOUL I know I’m direct (wife reminds me) but I love to learn and enhance distinctions. I am interested if you care to elaborate. Seriously, tear a new hole in anything I say. I welcome it. ❤️❤️❤️ Edit: Might be unnecessary, not sure, but I mean “being” in the sense of you are a Being - not as in “being funny” or “being aware”. I mean you are THE Being, which is aware, and that that does not go the other direction.

Totally normal. DOn’t want it at your back your whole life. Got to sit with it and stomach breath and let it process. Awareness really is curative, maybe work on where it’s coming from. Must’ve filed some events away in a manor that would probably make you anger to realize, but that awareness of it is the liberation of it too. Good luck. I was there. It sucks ass. It’s worth it to work through it.

Once the deception is revealed, it’s easy to appreciate.

@Dan94 good job on the discipline of practices. Sounds like things might be getting a little stagnant? Maybe it’s time for a trip?

@JustinS ????????

@cetus56 Pure f’ing magic! ❤️

@Seed Loved that book! Told my kids the spoon / oil story just 2 nights ago. I told em the story is called ‘what is the oil’, and that the way the story works, is no one says what their oil is. Much love to you Seed.

@JustinS Holy shit!!!!??? That is much clearer than my babbling! Thanks!!!

@DocHoliday Asking why is thinking. Going within is the other direction all together. Why’s could go on forever in the thinking, but not absolutely. Inherent in the illusion, is a limit on one’s thinking (death). If there wasn’t death, your intelligence would be infinite, and therefore, you would not be asking why. That’s what you’re up against, if you want to know that why. Knowing that why for yourself though - most worthwhile adventure. You’re completely underestimating so far.

@Monkey-man There is no intellectual answer. Think of intellectual as a frequency band. It’s the band of thoughts. Think of another frequency band that is a broader spectrum (awareness) and it contains the intellectual band, but is more expansive thus encompassing of it, and then another frequency band more expansive than that one (being) which is even more expansive and encompasses the previous two “bands”, and then another “band” which is at the same time not a band in any sense like the others, and is beyond being, and beyond being a thing or not being a thing, beyond existing or not existing (those are the dualities of the thoughts band) but yet is the source of all beings and all things. So, there is no thinking one’s way from the first, to the most expanded, to the absolute. It can be done without thinking. This can not be intellectualized, because the thinking is coming from without the most expanded band. I think that’s a way to try to explain it, but in actuality, it’s also happening in that way, but in reverse, within you. No matter how much we look at and deduce, the path is always within, straight through the thinker. Another attempt to point to it - Sight, thinking, awareness, being. In that order. You can visually see. You can think of what you see. You can not visually see your thinking. It goes in one direction. Thinking is transcendant to seeing. You can think. You can be aware of what you think. You can not think your awareness. It goes in one direction. Awareness is transcendant to thinking. You are being. You are being aware. You are not aware of your Being. It goes in one direction. Being, is transcendant to awareness. So you’d have to go straight through what you’re seeing, everything you’re thinking, all that you’re aware of, right into your very being. Then, you’d have acquired the perspective of how all is you.

@DocHoliday You’re describing interests and hows. I took the post as pertaining to the why. What if the collective experience was an illusion? Like, the universe, in it’s entirety, was illusionary. Why?

@Nathan Sounds like you have a glimpse of the concept, but you don’t feel so hot about things. So, what must be the difference between the concept of being “the only witness”, and the experience of being “the only witness”? A solid perplexing situation, as contemplation reinforces the conceptualization. So, how to go beyond concepts, beyond contemplation - beyond thinking? You have the map, you need the territory. You can’t dispose of the map, not at this point in the journey - nor would you want to. There’s no going back from this point you’ve made it to. You can relax now, you can trust. Your job is simply to be in a neutral state - to not attach to any resistant thoughts. No need to ‘think your way ahead’. Just neutral and allowing will do. Watch what comes, and enjoy it. It will come to you without your efforts. Your efforts slow it down. Just allow, and see. You’re going to be fine man. So much better than fine.

@DocHoliday what realization?

@Shakazulu ❤️

@Okaythen Thanks. Very kind of you. ❤️