Lila9

Member
 View profile  See their activity

  • Content count

    2,143

  • Joined

  • Last visited

Posts posted by Lila9

  1. Posted · Edited by Lila9

    52 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

    @Lila9

       So the ultimate logical conclusion is that you want Palestinians in Gaza, in West bank, to convert to western values and democracy and stop fighting? Also by implication you want Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey, Yemen, most of Iran, to just speed up development into western democracy, egalitarianism, and feminism? You ultimately want this American ideology to quickly spread and infest most of the middle east, regardless of cultural lose to those following Islam?

    No, I want it to remain Islam. There is enough Americanization in the world and the Islamic culture has its own beauty which I don't want to go away.

    But I want it to be a more sane and conscious form of Islam in its approach to human rights and Israel, this exists among many Muslims, but not as a collective.

  6. Posted

    55 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

    But why do Arabs hate Jews when they lived together for centuries at peace? When they treated Jews far better than Europeans did historically. You can say "there was oppression", and maybe there was but far less than in Europe. When you see how Europeans treated Jews it is insane.

    So it is not true that Arabs or Muslims are inherently anti Jewish. 

    Israel created this hatred, therefore you need to start to think why is that the case? If Arabs were so anti semetic they would have wiped out the Jews a long time ago in Palestine. 

    Why they want to do so now?

    What changed?

    Maybe because the way Jews in Israel acted made them anti Jewish?

    Start thinking about this.

    @Nivsch Same goes to you

    They lived in peace, and they didn't live in peace, depending on the time, the area, and the leadership.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Islam 

    I don't think Israel is entirely responsible for creating this hatred.

    Perhaps the immigration of Jews to Israel and the establishment of the state triggered pre-existing feelings of superiority towards Jews, leading to hatred.

    They were used to the historical fact that Jews were under their control since the dawn of Islam.

    And here, what they see is that an inferior group (to Islam) becomes superior, winning a war, establishing a Jewish state, which triggered feelings of humiliation.

    It certainly hurt Muslim pride and the collective self-image they held, as well as the image they had of Jews in relation to Muslims.

    The most conscientious solution is not to attack Jews or harbor resentment for their expulsion of Arabs to build a state in a Jewish historical homeland for survival.

    Instead, it is essential for them to introspect and recognize that Islam have expelled many nations throughout history, committing actions more brutal than what Jews may have done, acknowledge the dirt caused to people in the name of Islam.

    Acknowledging that Jews also deserve autonomy and one state of their own, while they already have many Muslim states, fostering forgiveness, and moving forward is a path toward understanding, resolution and peace.

  7. Posted

    1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

    Good example of ART being coopted and weaponized by either side:

    This is the full video clip-

    Just to make it clear, there is nothing in this song saying to kill all the Palestinians.

    This is very clear who they are talking about-

    "Everyone who planned, everyone who supported (the massacre), everyone who carried out (the massacre) everyone who murdered."

     

     

  8. Posted

    10 minutes ago, kenway said:

    I still don't understand your perspective. Why are you using the analogy of sheep specifically? Can you give examples?

    Also, when you say:-

    "The Arab world is known for its sheep mentality"

    Where abouts are they actually known for this? In the Arab world itself, or somewhere else?

    I'm just trying to understand the Israeli mindset.

    See earlier comments, it was my response to a user living in the middle east who claimed that Israelies are sheep. Which is funny because the Arab world is so much better in practicing sheep mentality. I often see more diverse opinions and critical thinking among Israelies and Jews rather than in Arabs and Muslims.

  9. Posted

    5 minutes ago, kenway said:

    Expand on this please.

    They are anti-Israel because this is what is expected from them, any pro-Israeli hint in the Arab world which doesn't match the pro-palestinian narrative is frowned upon and seen as betrayal and may have drastic consecunsess for the individuals and their families. In Gaza and WB it may end up with executions.

    People are not allowed to express pro-Israel opinions about the conflict or challenge the Palestinians narrative, there is no room for that or for any form of critical thinking. 

  11. Posted

    Just now, Nabd said:

    Why do you find it hard to believe that there is a faction in Israel which works on getting rid of all Palestinians?

    Post the documents here.

    1 minute ago, Nabd said:

    It doesn't matter because the claim is Israel wants peace but Palestinians dont. If true then why fund Hamas? A terrorist group that definitely doesn't want peace?

    As I said, in the beginning, Hamas started as a charity whose aim was to bring Muslims closer to religion, this is how they started (Dawah).

    At this time they committed 0 killings against Israelies, while Fatah (fueled by PLO) was already engaged in terrorism and killed Israelies. For Israel, PLO/Fatah was more dangerous than Hamas at that time. They wanted to get rid of Fatah by supporting Hamas, exploiting that fact that there was an ideological conflict between the two, unaware that Hamas will commit terror attacks in the future.

     

  12. Posted · Edited by Lila9

    31 minutes ago, Nabd said:

    I dont hate Israel but Israel literally created Hamas. You can check the documents yourself and connect the dots.

    Why didn't you reply to anything else i said?

    Like why did Israel need to fund Hamas lets say if not totally create it?

    You guys keep preaching how Palestinians dont want peace right? Well why fund a terrorist group that doesnt want peace? Israeli officials admitted they fund Hamas to not allow a Palestinian state.

    Why not take this information into your world view and understanding of politics instead of crusading against poor powerless ignorants in Gaza?

    As I commented earlier:

    Supporting Hamas (by Israel) to hurt PLO/Fatah was done strategically before Hamas became dangerous (i.e. strated killing Israelies).

    Hamas started as an "innocent" religious movement or at least, that's how they presented themselves to Israel at the beginning. Nothing new.

    At that time when Hamas wasn't dangerous and PLO/Fatah was, it makes sense that Israel wanted to get rid of Fatah by supporting their competitors, Hamas, Which was a huge mistake because it turned out that Hamas was more brutal.

    I read about this in a book that I talk about a lot here because it's is a very reliable source for understanding the conflict as it was written by Hamas' founder son who was close to the people who were behind the scenes of these historical events.

    Supported or funded by Israel for stratigical purposes is not the same as created by Israel.

    Hamas was created by- Muslim Palestinians.

     

  13. Posted

    10 minutes ago, Nabd said:

    You still don't appreciate the devilry behind supporting religious fundamentalism.

    Israel was ready to support Hamas just to not allow a Palestinian state.

    They need Hamas to say "who are we gonna negotiate with?".

    PLO are extremely reasonable. Why did Israel need to create Hamas?

    Also, don't be surprised that Israel is responsible for helping fundamentalism.

    We know this from Syrian documents too where Israel lobbied heavily to dismantle the free Syrian army but didn't seem to mind religious groups.

    US is responsible for religious fundamentalism too, I am not blaming Israel completely for it.

    The problem is why did Israel create Hamas? This is not a simple thing to ignore.

    Israel didn't create it, maybe you wish Israel would have created it so you can blame Hamas on it, because you hate both.

    You project the devilry if the radical Islamists on Israel.

  15. Posted

    4 minutes ago, Nabd said:

    Same could be said about Jews today.

    What unites you is religion. You literally come from all the world and nothing is shared but religious tradition.

    Palestinians are more united and similar than Israelis.

    Also Palestine name was used, it was not unkown.

    There is a genetic connection between Jews from different areas of the world, this has been tested.

    Palestinians claim to be indigious to this land and being here thousands of years while their surnames imply about the history of their families coming from Egypt, Iraq, Yemen, Syria etc.

    Arafat was born in Egypt but lied he was born in Israel's territory and that he is a Palestinian.

    Muhammed Deif's real name is Mohammed al-Masri, even though he was born in Gaza, his surname implies that his family originally came from Egypt.

     

     

  16. Posted

    5 minutes ago, Nabd said:

    It is well known and there Israeli documents clearly stating Israel need Hamas.

     

    Created by Britain.

    You dont appreciate how much Islamic fundamentalism helps Israeli right wing ans the west.

    Its a fucking miracle that first resistance was secular! We are talking about the middle east for fucks sake!

    So essentially the natives were more developed than European Jews.

    Supporting Hamas to hurt PLO/Fatah was done strategically before Hamas became dangerous.

    Hamas started as an "innocent" religious movement or at least, that how they presented themselves to Israel at the beginning. Nothing new.

    But do Israel responsible to Islamic fundamentalism? Hell no.

     

  17. Posted · Edited by Lila9

    28 minutes ago, Nabd said:

    This is hilarious.

    You keep mentioning the Jewish homeland and all this bullshit.

    When I give you a counter claim that Palestinians are descendants of natives (Canaanites). A claim which you can't refute because its DNA, so you say oh it doesn't matter! We are all Africans!

    If this isnt devilry then I don't know what is.

    Palestinians are a diverse ethic group, there is no such a thing as Palestine ethnicity. Per their surname it's clear that they came from various countries among the middle east and various tribes.

    Just because they have some percentage of Cannaties like the Jews, doesn't mean that Israel should be a Muslim state.

     

  18. Posted

    6 minutes ago, Nabd said:

    I am anti Assad, which means I am anti Axis of resistance. Which means I am anti Hamas because these guys genocided Syrians.

    I also happen to be an atheist. So all this religius bullshit that Jews and Muslims are bought into doesn't affect me.

    Israel must stay. The Israeli left are allies and should be counted on. I don't have anything against Israelis.

    But its important to get things right. Israel was created in a certain way and only a true patriot is the one who is capable of criticizing his own country.

    I am also not interested in this Hamas Israeli war because its bullshit. Iran and Israeli right wing cooperate and help each other.

    I can understand you and even agree, until your claim that Hamas was created by Israel.

    1 minute ago, Nabd said:

    No.

    First resistance was secular against Israeli colonization.

    Jesus christ go read some history! Go see how leftists were fighting against Israel.

    Islamic fundamentalism wasn't the first response against Israeli colonization. Its actually new and funded by Israel, a thing I keep saying yet you never acknowledge weirdly enough.

    This is a war between colonizers and natives.

    It doesn't matter, if it was secular or not. The base of Israel is Jewish, even if the majority are not religious. It is based on Jewish values and tradition.

    America is a secular country which is based on Christianity, Christian values and tradition, not Judaism, not Islam or Buddhism.

    Islamic fundamentalism was created in other countries like Egypt and before there was an Israeli state, read history, they called the Muslim Brotherhood.

    And Hamas was inspired by them, Ahmad Yasin was a Muslim Brotherhood member who founded Hamas with the purpose to be a Muslim Brotherhood brunch in Israel.

  19. Posted

    4 minutes ago, Nabd said:

    You are a troll which can't be reasoned with.

    Jews are not a race. Oriental Jews lived in there homeland before European Jews came.

    Levantines are descendants of Canaanites and Arameans. Just like Oriental Jews, which makes them Levantine. Which means Levantines are living in their homeland. European Jews homeland is Europe.

    Being a Muslim is irrelevant. Some Palestinians today were Jews before.

    This conflict is between a Jewish and a Muslim state, it doesn't matter what cannaties are and who they were, all humans on earth share the same African ansectores.

  20. Posted

    42 minutes ago, Nabd said:

    Stop being a devil.

    They are from US, Poland, Germany, Austria, France, Russia etc.

    Yes they were but this doesn't give them the right to take other peoples land.

    And don't start with this bullshit of homeland.

    European Jews are European. Oriental Jews are oriental.

    Your grandfather was persecuted by Germans. Not by Middle easterners.

    If you can't see this devilry and genuinely feel the paradoxical situation of Israel and Palestine because people born there are in a paradox, then you are just too blind and you extremely biased, just sheep behavior.

    You live in Syria dude, you are highly biased against Israel from birth, the Arab world is known for its sheep mentality. I don't know how brainwashing they did with you there but it seems serious. 

     

  21. Posted

    2 minutes ago, Nabd said:

    Yes because the land was colonized.

    This doesn't mean the land was empty.

    Have you ever read books on the region or do you just parrot The stories that allow you to sleep at night?

    What do you mean by historical connection? Religion wise yes, its holy land and you don't need to colonize and massacre a population to live there. Jews lived there already before European Jews came.

    Again, don't start with this homeland bullshit. Levantines are natives, they descendend from Canaanites and Arameans. Just like Oriental Jews who are also Canaanites.

    Religion isn't a race.

    Judaism is older than Islam.

    There was a Jewish state on this land for a very long time, for a thousands of years, this is why it's a homeland for the Jewish religion which is an ethical group too.

    Muslims homeland is Saudia.

  22. Posted

    2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    They are forced to give up land!

    You are conveniently ignoring the elephant in the room!

    And they are not allowed to have a soverign state with their own military.

    That's what all this is about.

    People were always forced to give up land, this doesn't justify what they are doing, especially when they receive so much support and money from the world and have many options across the Middle East. 

    Having their own military doesn't guarantee that it wouldn't be used against Israel, it will only make this conflict uglier, as this military probably will cooperate with Iran and other anti-Israel states that have an interest in maintaining this conflict as they aim to destroy Israel.

  23. Posted

    3 minutes ago, Nabd said:

    Because they colonized a land that is not theirs which in the mind of some Palestinians is justification for killing all Israelis.

    European Jews could've came into middle east normally or as refugees like Armenians and Assyrians and Greeks or even Italians who fled into Syria after numerous Ottoman massacres or other wars.

    People took them in and shelterd them from further killings. But when you see a Pole who took your home and your family members were killed then you are traumatized that killing children is normal to you.

    Its quite simple I don't know why we need to explain this.

    Palestinians should not pay for European anti semitism. Israelis are used by western powers to safeguard their interests just like others in middle east.

    They didn't colonize it, they never imposed Hebrew and Jewish culture on Palestinians.

    They don't have a home state to return to, unlike real colonizations such as France and Britain.

    They don't fall under the classic definition of a colony, this is an individual case.

    They were prescued elsewhere and returned to their historical homeland to solve a problem, it was a matter of survival.

    Muslim Arabs have so much land, yet they started a war against Jews, even though it was no one's land under the British mandate.

     

     

  24. Posted

    Just now, zazen said:

    Seems pretty clear what’s being said - many pro Israelis will struggle to process it because the Israeli state has drip fed propaganda that’s slowly seeped in like microplastics from water. 

    Or they privately agree but publicly deny this sentiment.

    Or maybe it’s just late where you are.

     

    Could you elaborate what you understand from Benjamin's footage because I'm not sure how from that you got into conclusion that Israel is a terrorist state?