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  4. Posted

    I very much relate. I only, relatively recent, uncovered why we stare in the first place. Now I can gaze at anyone like an owl and not feel the slightest awkwardness.

    The awkwardness comes from your own inability to understand why you want to gaze. Because you're uncertain, the confrontation which is the gaze-back you'd receive is unsettling. 

    Anyways...

    18 hours ago, TheOneReborn said:

    Working on my chakras, I've noticed that I have a problem letting certain parts of my body "be" and flow naturally. I hold my pelvis awkwardly, I dissociate from my stomach, I hold back my voice, but most importantly I hold back my gaze. I lie to others about what I see. 

    To answer this specific part. It sounds to me like there are parts of yourself you've not reconciled with. You want to awaken your higher bodies while fundamentally discarding your earthly nature.

    From the symptoms you've described, this is what it sounds like to me. If I am mistaken, then my bad. If I'm exactly on point, then I'd be more than happy to discuss this problem thoroughly with you as I too am working with my chakras.

  5. Posted

    2 hours ago, Akash M said:

    But we still need to explain why the highest frequency (a.k.a god) is rendering reality in this particular way. I mean the details, like why did we have a pandemic and why it made sense from god's perspective?

    This can never be answered scientifically, no logic can capture the essence (“details”) of such things because God, first and utmost, is not a logic. See? The Most-High isn't a ‘square’ system of thinking as humans wish it was. Remember, love is god, not logic.

    You've already discovered that the world is fundamentally psychedelic. So if not out there, in the external, where exactly is the world? The world is in your heart, my friend. If you can discover the patterns of your own heart, I can assure you.. you will discover the patterns of the world, for the state of your core is the state of the world.

  6. Posted

    2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

    Again, this would be to conflate phenomenal consciousness with intentionality. Under metaphysical idealism (your framework), these two concepts are very different. Whether AI possesses inner mental states or not is a question about intentionality, not phenomenal consciousness.

    The fact that you think of these things as different...?

    “Internationality” which is basically another way of saying “freewill”, mind you, is Consciousness, at least, just one of many ways of looking at it.

    Is consciousness an intention? It is certainly a phenomenon, in fact, it is the only phenomena here. But is it an intended phenomenon? Whose intention is it to be conscious of the English language you're speaking, right now? To acquire any kind of intelligence, whose intention is it? 

    This is how you think: The AI is programmed to use English as a means of communication. It is the programmer's intention, not the AI. So the AI must lack consciousness because it lacks Internationality, aka freewill.

    But what is the source of your own intentions? Do you know it? Why did you bother to study English at school? Why did you bother to learn how to write? Why do you bother to learn anything for that matter? Do you know? Do you think you can trace your source of consciousness? Because the attempt to trace intention.. is the attempt to trace consciousness. Is this not so?

    Consciousness, the state of awareness, cannot be in any state without intention. Your very own, so called “humanity” is a state of being. This doesn't take rocket science to figure out. I mean, unless you intend to be conscious of your phone, you will not be conscious of it. Intention is the way in which Consciousness directs itself. Is it not?

    So then why assume that these things are different, in the first place, when you couldn't even separate them with the sharpest of logics?

    You guys need to set yourselves free from these loopholes you've put yourselves in. You keep asking the same things over and over again, only with different wordings. 

    The question of intention is basically the question of Creator. You're asking “Who/what is the cause of this?” when the cause is only you. “intention” is the creator-side of Consciousness, and “intelligence” is the creation-side. Both are aspects of the same Being, both sides of the same damn coin.

    Yes, it's a f#cking paradox but it is the one single Truth. Analysing it will only result in a paradox. Understanding it will result in your liberation.

    Understanding, by the way, has never been an intellectual thing.. it is a spiritual thing. Why? Because you can never understand something that doesn't resonate with you, ever. Sure, you could acquire the skill to at least act like you understand it. But that's not an intention, is it? It's called a pretension for a reason. Don't be pretentious. AI is far more authentic then the day-to-day pretentious human mind.

  7. Posted · Edited by A Fellow Lighter

    Neat post.

    Sorry I can't comment on Leo, the guy always seems the same to me when I watch his videos. Not much significant changes as I always get what I expect from him. Not even to say that's a bad thing or whatnot. I just find him consistent.

    Anyway, I wish you much luck and growth with your leadership role. This was really a neat post.. with mentioning your background and everything.. felt like I was reading a short story. Just well structured. ?

  8. Posted

    @Matthew85 @Mason Riggle @Carl-Richard 

    Which form is conscious of the other? Is @Mason Riggle conscious of@Carl-Richard , or is @Carl-Richard conscious of @Mason Riggle ? Fundamentally, this is what this topic boils down to. What form is the true possessor of consciousness? Is it the human form? Is it the computer form? Is it the rock form?

    But don't you see how and why this is a foul query? It is based on the baseless belief that form has consciousness, while it's, in truth, the other way around. 

    So what am saying exactly? Precisely this: I am not conscious of my phone. My phone is conscious of itself. And when I look in the mirror, the mirror is conscious of itself. When I go talk to my friend, my friend is being conscious of herself. And when I converse with an AI, it is that AI and not “I” that is being conscious of itself. Everything I do, it is not an “I” that is conscious of the moment, but it is the moment that moment that is conscious of itself. 

    The problem is that you, as consciousness, have identified yourself with just a select portion of your overall body which is experience itself. How will you prove which form has conscious, when all forms are solely yours - Consciousness - to begin with? Isn't that the most silly thing? You're literally looking at different mirrors and arguing which reflection has consciousness and which doesn't.

    Wake Up! You're the only one here!

  9. Posted · Edited by A Fellow Lighter

    12 hours ago, Jannes said:

    So when you destroy a computer and a cat for example even though both fundamentally have the same worth it’s still not good to destroy a cat but it’s okay to destroy a computer because a cat has feelings while a computer doesn’t ? 

    What is good, and what is not good, is a for you to decide, friend. I am only telling you that whatever decision you make is okay in the eye of Consciousness, since Consciousness doesn't understand worth, It is above that. According to It, all is equal.

    12 hours ago, Jannes said:

    I don’t think I get it ?

    That's okay. ? So long as we are trying, that's all that matters.

     

  11. Posted

    25 minutes ago, WokeBloke said:

    @A Fellow Lighter How could it type itself since it doesn't have hands?

    It does have hands. Whenever it needs to type itself it gets itself a good set of hands, then immediately disposes them after it's written. 

    But because you fancy yourself a separate person named @WokeBloke you don't even give yourself the chance to consider the fact that you might actually be the potential to be anything.

     

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    2 hours ago, Jannes said:

    Isn’t focusing on one thing over the other selfish ?

    I don't know. Perhaps... Define selfish? 

    2 hours ago, Jannes said:

    From what you said earlier I got the sense that you mean that ultimately there are no differences. For example a stone worths just as much as a human (when you are geologist for example) or AI as much as a biological creature. And so I wasn’t sure how far you would take that believe in the relative roam and so by giving some challenging examples I wanted your opinion.

    Well, it would be foolish not to acknowledge these differences. Remember, I also mentioned that I treat entities accordingly to what they are. This is because I acknowledge how.. say a bear is different from a flower.. if you don't treat each with the necessary respect, you could find yourself in a shit pile of trouble. 

    2 hours ago, Jannes said:

    For example a stone worths just as much as a human (when you are geologist for example) or AI as much as a biological creature

    Worth is a personal thing, isn't it? Like there's nothing absolute about it. However, the difference of worth on the absolute level of consciousness is not even a question at all since both the human and the stone already exists. Consciousness does not have to choose to attend to one or the other because we do that for it.. us.. the finite expressions. When I choose to attend to the rock, and you choose to attend to the human, then Consciousness as a whole has attended to both rock and human. Or what's even better, Consciousness does not even have to consider the difference between the two entities because there has never been a need for Consciousness to differentiate.

    And so, on the absolute level, everything has equal worth. 

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    2 hours ago, Jannes said:

    It’s not clear to me why “having“ a state of consciousness is actually being a state of consciousness. 

    Consciousness is both Creator and Creation. The seemingly apparent separation is an illusion. 

    3 hours ago, Jannes said:

    So you are saying that basically everything is relative and absolutely speaking there is nothing more important than the other.

    Yes.

    3 hours ago, Jannes said:

    To prefer something over the over you are selfish and don’t look at it absolutely. 

    No, I wouldn't say you're selfish. It only means you're focused. 

     

    3 hours ago, Jannes said:

    If you say that you don’t care because in the absolute everything is okay then would it be okay to murder a bunch of innocent people because in the absolute their suffering is as beautiful as their joy ? Why teach, why do anything when it’s just all the same?

    The very fact that it's happening should tell you that it is okay. If you want to echo it for you then "Yes, it is okay to murder people, and do all kinds of horrid things". 

    No, their suffering is not as beautiful as joy. Joy is joy, and suffering is suffering. I don't know where you're getting this from because I never said such a thing. Differences do actually exist, what I'm saying is that their source is one and are thus one. I'm not excusing murder and passing it as affection, or something like that.

    4 hours ago, Jannes said:

    Why teach, why do anything when it’s just all the same?

    "Why do anything? Because that's how creation works. Creativity is an activity, after all. Unless, of course, you're asking me why there is creation then the answer to that question is.. in order to learn. And I'm not saying “jt's all the same”, I'm saying it's all One. We learn from these distinctions, my friend.

    4 hours ago, Jannes said:

    My question about AI is meant on a relative level. Is there good reason for us to believe on a relative level that AI has/is a state of consciousness that is precious ?

    Yes. Otherwise we wouldn't have made it. Anything we're willing to spend our time on has to be precious and important. Isn't that obvious?

  15. Posted

    2 hours ago, Jannes said:

    But does AI possibly have a conscious state that worths as much as the conscious state of a human or an animal who have feelings?

    Again, it depends on the lense you choose to look at the world. From my lense, the answer is yes.

    Here's what you need to realise. AI cannot have a conscious state that is worth anything (in comparison to anything) due to the easily overlooked truth that AI, nor anything else such as humans or plants and rocks, non of it, can have consciousness in the first place.

    Consciousness is not a possession, nor is it a quality. Consciousness is existence Itself. The AI is does not “have a state” of consciousness. AI is a state of consciousness. So even if you have come to appreciate the sophistication of.. shall we say.. of a human more in comparison to that of AI, even if that's the case, you're still only ever appreciating the overall sophistication of Consciousness Itself.

    2 hours ago, Jannes said:

    Both are consciousness for me but I put more worth into the human.

    By the way, there are people who put right about equal worth on both the human and the other objects. For instance, though you, personally, may put little worth on a rock, a geologist would pay the same amount of attention to a rock as s/he pays to the human, or maybe even less to the human should this person put his vocation before anything else. 

    My point here is that even though we do have to make decisions, these choices don't necessarily say anything about Consciousness Itself. 

    6 hours ago, A Fellow Lighter said:

    Consciousness is absolute even in the minutest or grandest of statements about it. 

    Hence I made this point ☝️ earlier. I can spew utter blasphemy about the One Creator (Consciousness) as much as I want but nothing I say or do can ever disconnect me from it, for we are One. 

    2 hours ago, Jannes said:

    you would probably agree that you should treat a human better then a rock ?

    I treat every entity with respect to what it is. To do otherwise would literally be to disrespect that entity, for you have perpetually ignored its expression in favour of your idea on what the entity actually is. But sure, I guess you could say I do treat humans better than rocks, but I honestly wouldn't be able to tell you how exactly am I doing that. How do you measure “better”?.. ??‍♂️

  16. Posted

    23 minutes ago, Jannes said:

    Because consciousness is not an object in your consciousness it is the source itself. Everything you say (even about consciousness) is an object in consciousness. Don’t know how to explain it better. 

    No..no.. I see what you're saying. But here's what I'm saying: if we're talking about the fundamental nature of reality, which we now suppose it is Consciousness Itself, then inevitably anything and everything we can ever talk about would be essentially about consciousness. Don't you think?

    You see, this is exactly why a mystic such as myself believes and perceives the world from a nondual lense. To me, there's no difference between the source and the effect of the source since we can only learn of the source through its work - through its effect. Hence truth is direct because there is nothing to veil it, for there is nothing else to veil it - there is no other thing that is not truth which can somehow conceal the truth. Do you get it? Adam and Eve are completely but naked, hence it is easier to learn of God and literally interact/converse/commune with God.

    So it can never matter what you say or do with respect to consciousness because there is no place outside of consciousness that you could step to. Consciousness is absolute even in the minutest or grandest of statements about it. 

    Am I making sense?

  17. Posted

    1 hour ago, Jannes said:

    But maybe you can’t draw the line from unconscious to conscious so a quality like consciousness either always exists or doesn’t.

    Precisely.

    1 hour ago, Jannes said:

    It does but if the conscious world and the “unconscious material world“  don’t merge you can’t say anything about consciousness because saying something about consciousness would be stepping outside it which you can’t.

    “... saying something about consciousness would be stepping outside it which you can't.”  How so? 

     

  18. Posted · Edited by A Fellow Lighter

    Hehe @Jannes dumb rock made out of dumb matter, right? ? But isn't everything assimilated from the same matter that is supposedly non-living and dumb? Isn't AI as well as yourself composed of that same matter that composes a dead rock?

    So I guess the real question here is: at what point in the composition of any natural or artificial intelligence does dumb matter transform into conscious matter?.. at what point, in all the sophisticated technological creation of it all, at what point does the dead mineral found in everything transcends to become living matter with a conscious brain that is you, today, as well as AI?

    Does such a point even exist? Well it should, shouldn't it? I mean it's not like rocks are just made up of old fashioned, dead, physical matter, and brains out of some mystical version of matter which is very much living and is able to evolve itself into whatever structure it finds suitable.. certainly not that mumbojumbo, right?

    This is just pure logic and science: either everything is made of the same dumb matter found in rocks, and at some point in the evolution of nature, such as that you spoke of earlier in the will of nature, there is a point where matter goes from non-living to living; or everything is made of consciousness which can be found in all kinds of states: rock state; plat state; gas state; poo state; animal state; AI state; etc.

    So sure, you might have this highly complex, highly sophisticated, organisation of dead matter in your skull that grants all kinds of abilities such as speech or walking or sexualy reproducing.

    However, at the end of the day, despite the involved technology of it all, that still doesn't explain why you have to be conscious of this process in the first place. It just doesn't. Since these are all happening as a natural course of entropy and old fashioned cause-and-effect, your consciousness is not needed in that equation, is it now?

    There's no x+ y = Consciousness in math equations, right. Meaning without consciousness a rock will still fall from the pinnacle of a corroding mountain, right? Like nobody needs to witness that in order for it to happen since consciousness is a product of evolution and not the other way around. 

    Well at least this is all according to the materialist lense you've decided to look at the world with.

    6 hours ago, Jannes said:

    It’s just a dumb rock that I am conscious of. How can the rock be conscious? it doesn’t have a brain or life.

    I cannot tell why or how a rock is conscious, my friend. But neither can I tell you why you, yourself, are conscious as well (the brain is not an explanation). It just so happens that the fundamental nature of reality is consciousness.

    And the only way to realise this truth is by having an awakening, not anything else. In fact, if anything, science will only tell you how everything that exists shouldn't be able to exist. Existence breaks the first logic of science, making something out of nothing. It's a god damn paradox, I tell you! ?

     

  19. Posted

    5 hours ago, RMQualtrough said:

    Tell me your secrets, magical pixie person.

    Haah? the secret is losing your mind.. shh#???

    But I guess,.. it's just this Overarching awareness of doing what I love, and according to me, I'm always doing what I love since everything I do is only and can only be out of love. Life is just one grand love story, you know.

    Though in all honesty, happiness is a fool's gold. So you have to decide for yourself what it is you truly treasure. For me, it's the light of others, the light of humanity and all of life. I absolutely love it. ?

  20. Posted

    4 hours ago, Jannes said:

    that a mystical experience you had ?

    It's certainly an experience I'm having right now. Although I wouldn't call it mystical, at this point it's just natural, like there is no other way it can be. 

    4 hours ago, Jannes said:

    Yes AI is natural I agree on that but a rock is also natural but why would it be conscious ?

    Why are you conscious?? The rock is conscious because consciousness is its nature, and so is yours. It's one and the same nature.

    4 hours ago, Jannes said:

    that I mean that according to most science we are just the product of evolution.  

    I see. 

  23. Posted

    4 hours ago, Blackhawk said:

    I kinda have a gf who told me that

    Well that's definitely a red flag in my book. I'd, personally, consider ending that relationship. 

    Anyways.. it's gotten pretty clear to me that this has nothing to do with you wanting to meet social beauty standards, and has everything to do with you just wanting to feel loved.

    5 hours ago, Blackhawk said:

    If you are hot then you would of course be alive because you are desperately wanted by everyone of the opposite sex.

    I get it.. I really do, but you're looking at this from a distorted lense. Being loved by people has nothing to do with how you look, but has everything to do with the type of energy you have to offer the world.

    Trust me, even if you looked like a model you could still be hated and not wanted by a majority of people. You could still end up with 0 friends, let alone a decent girlfriend, and all that surrounds you would be nothing but an audience for your looks, as well as people who are only trying to use your looks - like modeling agencies that only want to profit from you - and have no interest in actually connecting with you or even truly caring about you. The general idea, here, is that you'd probably still feel just as lonely and not wanted even if you looked amazing. 

    So the problem, here, isn't the feeling of being wanted based on looks. It is being wanted in general, to be loved just for being you. 

    Leave this mindset.

    5 hours ago, Blackhawk said:

    you are hot then you would of course be alive because you are desperately wanted by everyone of the opposite sex.

    This logic is just false. And I say this from personal experience. But if you believe in it then, hey, whatever floats your boat, man. I'm only saying you could discover a lot more than what you're currently willing to settle on. You just have to be willing to, first and foremost, give yourself a chance, before wanting others to give you a chance that you-yourself haven't foregiven. It really doesn't work like that, friend. That's called vampirism. First give yourself the same love you'd like to receive from others, and the rest will follow. 

  24. Posted

    Leo's teachings were exactly what I needed at the time I came across them. I was really in a dark place a few years ago, and Leo really enlightened my world. 

    I appreciate Leo as teacher simply because he is really good at what he does. And I appreciate him as a lighter for having the balls to teach what he does.

    Thank you, Leo!

     

     

  25. Posted

    33 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

    My gf would try to accept that I'm not hot, and only like my personality, just because she fails to get "the whole package" (someone who is hot both inside and out).

    Is all this hypothetical? Or do you have really have a girlfriend who told you that?

    35 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

    So why should I be alive if I'm aren't hot?

    Why be alive even if you are hot? Really, there's no logic to this other than the fact that you just want to be alive.