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  2. Posted · Edited by Water by the River

    12 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

    I really don't understand how some of You people here deny "deeper awakenings"... Do You not believe in Infinity? I'm not sure whether You think/feel like You've reached the end/ceiling ("Buddha Nature"?) but I think that's rather unhumble. To deny the infinity of consciousness, it feels like a slap to the face of Reality... @Bazooka Jesus

     

    The reason is when "one" is too fascinated with wave-surfing on the River/Ocean (Awakening n+1), that "one" (separate-self arisings) prevents the Realization of being the Ocean. Of dropping into it and fully dissolving in it, as it. Or Enlightenment. 

    Fascination with wave-surfing, or surfing/awakening to Infinity of consciousness exactly prevents the transcending of the last (very subtle) separate-self lenses/arisings/filters/centers. Because that arising of this fascination IS the last separate-self lense/arising/filter/element.

    But to get tired of the fascination of wave-surfing, go wave-surfing. Its absolutely fine, since for most that is exactly what is necessary to get tired of it.

    Selling wave-surfing-by-the-River-to-get-tired-of-it

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    8 minutes ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

    @Water by the River

    Meh. How is that kind of talk going to help anyone selling their (future) god realization courses?

    Not everyone is content with selling a bunch of water to gullible scuba divers, y'know?

    Right.

    So, everybody please buy the course (seriously). And find out if it makes one happier than the seller, like in "end of psychological resistance to what is", or pretty much happy ever after.

    If yes, all is good.

    If no, everybody can continue on their chosen path of deliverance. Which, coincidentally, happens anyway. Mostly not on the most direct path, but following all the windings of the River to its very end, when it dissolves in the ocean...

    So, both ways, all is good, and exactly how its supposed to be...

    Selling  Water by the River

     

    PS: Leo has also created so much good content for free that pretty much everybody who can afford can balance some of this debt by buying the course. And it will open some interesting doors/areas for sure.

     

  4. Posted

    15 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

    Let's say that the range of consciousness is infinite, and being human it is limited, being an ant too, and being an interdimensional alien whose mind encompasses a universe, it will also be limited. only the formless is limitless. So much compared to little is a difference, but when compared to infinity, both are nothing. So, whether an ant or a bacteria or a human or a crocodile, can be in a state of total openness to their true nature, regardless of the breadth that their consciousness encompasses, it encompasses the entirety of another dimension, the depth of what is. This is what matters since it is total, however the amplitude is always partial, that is, nothing compared to infinity

    Does an ant have Buddha Nature?

    Does a rat have Buddha Nature?

    Does a human have Buddha Nature?

    Does an alien have Buddha Nature?

    Does an alien (n+1) have Buddha Nature?

    Exactly.

    All of these little Koans work if concentrated on long enough...

    And then: Is the Buddha Nature of the ant different than that of the alien n+1? Not its contents, or the objects or n+1 understandings it is holding within its field of awareness. But its Buddha Nature, its essence.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddha-nature

    "Buddha-nature has a wide range of (sometimes conflicting) meanings in Indian and later East Asian and Tibetan Buddhist literature. Broadly speaking, it refers to the belief that the luminous mind,[8][9][10] "the natural and true state of the mind,"[11] which is pure (visuddhi) mind undefiled by kleshas,[8] is inherently present in every sentient being, and is eternal and unchanging.[12][13][14] It will shine forth when it is cleansed of the defilements, that is, when the nature of mind is recognised for what it is."

    And can that nature of the River (what one IS) be realized multiple times? The always changing n+1 eddies in the River for sure...

     

    Selling the same old infinite eternal Water (or rather ageless, since its never touched by time at all) by the River. 

     

    PS: I made it easy, used Buddhist lingo. So please shoot ahead at the River, will produce some interesting impact-eddies for sure... Have a nice Sunday everyone!

  5. Posted · Edited by Water by the River

    15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

    Who would you say is at that level today?

    Today, there are a lot more. Just some examples: Harri Aalto, Jac O'Keeffee, Andrew Halaw, Ralston, Wilber, Wolinski, Daniel Brown (passed away), Adyashanti, Jürgen Ziewe, and many others.  

    The ones mentioned are just some of those I like (enlightened, not explicitely concering Supermind-stage) and who have interesting books/media published.

  8. Posted · Edited by Water by the River

    First, concerning the other post: I had to read "The Religion of Tomorrow" multiple times. It is not as self-explanatory as most of his other books, and quite difficult to understand sometimes. He doesn't fully explain concepts he already presented in other books. That is rather unusual for a Wilber book, but due to the sheer size/scope necessary.

    Its one of the three Opus Magnum books of Wilber (announced as Kosmos Trilogy around 20 years ago). Book one is Sex, Ecology, Spirituality, and the second and  third book has basically been delivered as "The Religion of Tomorrow" and the Excerpts concerning Wilber 5 (An Integral Age at the Leading Edge, The Many Ways We Touch _ Three Principles Helpful for Any Integrative Approach,  The Ways We Are in This Together,...).

    Supermind basically is True Nondual Realisation of the Absolute (on a pretty permanent and not just state basis), coupled with an integral postformal-/vision-logic- cognition realizing itself to be the Kosmos, and realizing how the past is imagined right here right now, and therefor the now contains the karmic memory print of all past moments that came before (imagined right here, right now). So, everything that has ever been literally resonates in ones being, as ones  Infinite Being.

    "If “Big Mind” is used as a synonym for the nondual state, you can be at, say, teal, and have a Big Mind experience (which you will interpret in teal terms). But notice: you cannot be at teal and have a peak experience of Supermind. Supermind is a structure, not a state per se (although it is conjoined with the nondual state), and therefore, in its structural dimension, Supermind must be grown and developed.

    Integral Theory says, “States are free, structures are earned,” which means that most states can be peak experienced, or plateau experienced, by virtually any structure, because these states are already present in some degree in everyone, just as an infant wakes, dreams, and sleeps (or goes through gross, subtle, and causal realms), but structures themselves have to grow, evolve, and unfold in a developmental fashion, “transcending and including” their predecessors".

    The blue statement is sometimes not en vogue on this forum.

    16 hours ago, BlessedLion said:

    Does Wilber ever reveal this? 

    Wilber is smart enough to not really engage in this game.

    So how many are there? Realized as a plateau to permanent stage, my guess is way less than 10.000. It needs pretty permanent True Nondual Realization/Enlightenment, plus high level integral vision-logic understanding.

    There is a statement in his book One Taste on how many deeply enlightened contemporary Zen-Masters there were in the 90s. I have written elsewhere about it.

    Yet, as an attractor-point, a beacon of what is possible (True Realization and an integral/vision-logic cognitive level of understanding to unpackage this realization), Supermind excerts a huge pull.

    Selling Water by the River

  10. Posted

    Chapter Dysfunctions of the 3rd-Tier Structure-Views, Violet Meta-Mind:

    "One can step deeply enough into thetimeless Now to step into another dimension altogether—just step right here, and push hard.

    It’s easy to get lost in those worlds, which are, at bottom, simply different dimensions and perspectives of one’s own (violet) consciousness (although, as noted, from another angle, they are all real, ontologically different realms because they are each genuinely co-enacted by a different perspective in consciousness). Given that this stage is the first great transition from “earthly” realms to “heavenly” realms (as a permanent structural enaction), getting lost in these “higher worlds” is indeed one of the most common dysfunctions of this level. The deeply transcendental, otherworldly, electrically visionary nature of consciousness at this altitude makes fixation to this side of the street an incredibly inviting and alluring venture. This is likely to couple with the dysfunction, discussed earlier, of standing in heaven and giving a blistering critique of life here on earth, with all the semiprophetic pomp and pomposity that  comes with it.

    One of the things that often happens with these specific dysfunctions is that, after making some initial discovery of a timeless Now or pure Present (either in 3rd-tier structures or higher states), one can step into that Present and then step right through it into what seem to be endless, “deeper,” “higher” realms altogether, a kaleidoscopic cascade of universes upon universes that at one point seem to be nothing but a slight wiggle in this moment’s timeless Now, and then at the next explode into almost infinitely extending real realms that are all alive and invite exploration—with a sign on the door that says “Welcome to Heaven!” This is extremely common in high subtle and low causal states, but if it happens with structures, it tends to happen right here, with the violet meta-mind (due largely to its visionary nature).

    ... But this problem is simply the living result of the enactive nature of the real world and the fact that consciousness can co-create an almost endless number of universes, any number of which one can become fixated or semiaddicted to, with straightforwardly dysfunctional results."

    An alien or two belong to the package.

  13. Posted

    9 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

    Does it get delivered to Spain?

    Maybe some time in the future. But I agree with you, it is very difficult to judge someone (especially the state in which the person in in) only by text/internet and not by presence.

    And I also agree with you that in certain situations it makes sense "to shake the tree a bit" and see which fruits fall off from it, so to say 9_9. But also have some mercy, nobody likes to be suspected to be less than truthful.

    For me its ok if you stay "agnostic". With style of course xD

    But yes, Spain is beautiful, and sometimes the River flows there, but not for selling Water, more for holidays or business ^_^

    And everybody be nice to Squeekytoy. I mean, just look at the profile picture! Who could ban a rubber ducky?

  14. Posted

    42 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

    @Water by the River You might as well convincingly parrot enlightened individuals as much as you want but without the essential direct consciousness that sourced such communication in the first place, that's basically pretending. Unless you in fact are talking from direct consciousness which doesn't sound like it.

    Yes to the first part, and for the second part: Selling Water by the River. 

  15. Posted

    10 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

    I'm judging where I asses you're coming from, which sounds to me like hearsay and intellect, no interest in engaging in this. I'm saying, if it's the case that direct profound consciousness is lacking, then conclusions and parroting cosmologies is of no use, so better be honet about that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

    "Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself."

     

  16. Posted

    16 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

    @Squeekytoy Pointing out this social game is nothing, whether an agreement is reached or not.

    Wilber, Eye to Eye. The three strands of knowledge.

    -> All valid knowledge is similar because it entails 1) a prescription for attaining the knowledge in question, 2) the actual attainment of the knowledge, and 3) social consensus as to the validity of the knowledge attained. These are the "three strands" that constitute all knowledge and science.

    And yes, point two IS the generation of actual data. In our case, gnosis, Rigpa, Satori, or however one wants to call it. "Speaks" for itself, doesn't need any external validation. But if its the same for all beings (UNIVERSAL UNCHANGING (Unborn Tao ^_^) Infinite Consciousness/Reality), the outcome of the path walked to the end shouldn't be too different... And that is point 3.

    And if I read any text any culture any century any tradition, I know exactly what they are all pointing to. Actually, I am it. And you too. 

    Water by the River

     

     

  19. Posted · Edited by Water by the River

    9 hours ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

     if it were possible to put myself on ignore, I would probably have done so a long time ago. :P

    You are absolutely right. Nothing better. xD

    Yours truly  has put himself pretty proficient on high-speed-automatic-ignore, thank God... Best thing small water by the River ever did: Installing an off-switch for small illusion-me. 

    9 hours ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

    How's tricks?

    Still grasping for the non-imagined non-illusion self-existing Aliens arising outside of True Being. No, just kidding. ^_^ 

  20. Posted

    3 hours ago, Squeekytoy said:

    It's important to note that all of that is still part of the dream. None of that is actually happening, all of that is imagined/hallucinated in the same way as everything else.

    The ones who truly understand nonduality aren't necessarily saying that there isn't a sense in which the individualized soul is on a journey that encompasses more than just this life or even this reality. What they're saying is that all of that is still only illusory, not ultimately real.

    So Leo thinks he has a bigger picture than true nonduality, but it's actually the other way around. Mind you however that most or all of what passes for nonduality in the spiritual marketplace is NOT the genuine article. So in that sense Leo is right. Just not final. 

    Agree on all points. Even the soul-game is an appearance, ultimately not real. But equally real or unreal as ones car, for example. And endures death, which the car can not claim when the scrap press comes along...

    "How wonderful it is that in the infinite ocean of myself the waves of living beings arise, collide, play, and disappear, in accordance with their nature" 2.25 Ashtavakra Gita

    And for (not true/full) Nonduality: Also agree. Nonduality is most often a merging/unity experience, where the separate-self/individuality can still be well and alive, and hijack the nondual unity-state. "I realized nonduality/Reality", "I am pure awareness", "I am God", "I am whatever", "I realized *whatever*". And what triggers most likely a unity/nondual-state with the separate-self still well and alive, later interpreting the experience in a way that doesn't kill/transcend but boost and extend the lense/filter/illusion of the separate-self to God-like proportions? What could that be? :/^_^

    Or (true) Nonduality, to truly realize that one has ever been, always is, and never can not be Infinite Reality itself. That Reality is impersonal, groundless, empty and infinite, absolute potential, no separate-identity left, no inner-blabla-talk of any(!) kind still believed and not immediately cut off, seen as illusion arisings within ones True Infinite Self. The illusion is seen through.... Pure groundless Being is realized, containing this and any possible world/apperance. That (and only that) can end the suffering/(aka resistance to what is) which is the essence of what any separate-self is at its core.

    "There is no one subject to samsara, no sense of individuality, no goal or means to the goal in the eyes of the wise man who is always free from imagination and unchanging like space" 18.66 Ashtavakra Gita

    "When the sage has realised that he himself is in all beings, and all beings are in him, it is astonishing that the sense of individuality should be able to continue" 3.5 Ashtavakra Gita

    And even something with imagination and God and realization is in the Ashtavakra Gita: "Recognising [Realizing] that [all] things are just constructions of imagination, that great soul lives as God here and now". 18.28

    The only thing I didn't find in the Ashtavakra Gita is Alien & company. But since its quite hard to contradict that Alien & company are also imagined and merely appearing illusions arising in the Reality of ones own True Being...

    But hey, what does Water by the River know? NOTHING. But that quite profoundly. xD

    Selling Water by the River