Nemra

No, it literally isn't happening to you. You are using your experience to project onto others because you think that if you have a body, then why other people, who have human bodies, wouldn't experience stuff with you. What you're doing here is illogical, because you're assuming that your experience and others' experience have the same level of existence. By the way, I'm not saying that people aren't conscious of things, because certainly, they can tell you stuff that you could also be conscious of. I wrote in my previous posts that limiting your identity is false. That should have made things clear to you. If you identify with everything, i.e., regarding everything as you, then you are the experience itself.

@Breakingthewall, by the way, you can say that your experience is limited, as in your cognitive abilities limit it and your experience is structured in a specific way, however, it doesn't prove that others are experiencing simultaneously with you. Experience being concrete has nothing to do with that. That limitation only proves that you are in a certain state, which is called human. You are confusing stuff together.

@Sugarcoat, but for me, seeing through the illusion of it is way more helpful because I would know why I'm doing it. Then, I just try to remind myself that something is me if I notice that I regard it as not me.

Well, it's very easy to forget that. But it's the same as identifying with your body, however, it doesn't give you permission to control people. But I don't claim that you could or even must identify with everything if you suffer from something.

Yeah. But you don't have to zoom in to understand that. The fact that the existence of any object isn't more or less real in your field of "view" should tell you that it's illogical to identify only with the body.

It's not logical to say when I pinch the body, it hurts; therefore, I'm only the body.

Being in lower or higher states isn't an assessment. It's the reverse, actually. Your human life is a stable hallucination. You helplessly believe in your human life to the core because your sanity depends on it.

I only became conscious of that on a psychedelic trip a while ago. It's not something that I can experience while being a human. Literally, at that state, being a human is a hallucination, which is not an easy thing to say. It doesn't even feel quite right to say I "experienced" it, because at that level, experience isn't a given. However, you may be able to reinterpret your normal experience after the trip.

Reality is based on experience, and you only have yours. Whatever reality you point to, may or may not be experienced in the future, however, it's not on the same level of realness as your reality until you experience it. Your experience can change, but it's all you have access to. It doesn't mean that learning from others' "experience" isn't worth it.

That's the problem. You cannot even prove others' experiences because you cannot get outside your experience, which is not to say your experience doesn't change. Please understand that I'm not entertaining a possibility here. I just realized that I cannot prove it to myself because it's impossible. I'm not even saying that you should disregard what others supposedly experience, because it can help you understand your experience.

@Breakingthewall, well, you should go further and understand that you imagine that others are simultaneously having experiences with you and that the qualia of their experience is somewhat the same. So, you will never have the opportunity to identify with a thing that you cannot experience, because it literally doesn't exist for you, even if people tell you it's happening to them and you're going to feel the same. You're always going to refer your experience. E.g., if someone is being tortured, you aren't feeling the pain that they are feeling. You can only imagine how they are feeling just by knowing what it feels like to be in pain. However, you aren't actually being tortured, which is what matters.

I don't quite understand your question and its intention.

Maybe you need to understand the reason, I don't know. However, once you see the illogical nature of how you have been identifying, you will see that there's no reason not to identify with things that you have completely disregarded. I'm not referring to your cognitive abilities. I mean whatever is in your field of "view". Different directions.

@Sugarcoat, it doesn't matter what the reason is that you identify only with your body. It's just false, which is not to say not to care about your body. When you observe your sense phenomena, you will understand that you are constructing limitations to how you identify. Well, I'm not against disidentification, but the deception is in constructing limitations.

@Sugarcoat, it's not because you want to replace but because you want to understand how you identify. Why should you mindlessly pursue not identifying with anything?