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  1. Posted · Edited by Karmadhi

    33 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

    Yet when there's enough films and documentaries, and historical data for the last 100 years of Israel/Palestine conflict, where's the outrage here?

    There was also footage about Hiroshima but people thought it was ok. You do not need to be a genious to know civilians are suffering when a nuclear bomb explode over their heads. Neither you need Tik Tok footage when you read that a whole city has become a sea of fire and 35.000 people have died.

    Its just that back then it was considered a necessary evil, now it is just unacceptable.

     

  2. Posted · Edited by Karmadhi

    46 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

    As I said, it's difficult to talk to citizens who deeply believe in biased, ideological propaganda, who are indoctrinated by propaganda, and disinformation/misinformation campaigns in our information ecology via social media sites, footages in shorts, clips, YouTube videos, mainstream/alternative news outlets and biased journalism, news papers, radio shows et cetera. Difficult talking to people who are thought terminated cliched into feeling/thinking patterns that disengage and disassociate from subject matters like terrorists, sexual predators, and other gruesome footages and pictures, and when other media repeatedly keep spreading misinformation and repeat the straw man of groups, difficult to communicate with people who's Spiral Dynamics stage is lower, cognitive and moral development hijacked by other bad faith actors, who's personalities and mass psychology is controlled by corporates and states via marketing and news and other capitalistic ventures, difficult when their ego is threatened and each shadow aspect of their psyche perceives threats to it's survival by inside and outside forces.

    I expected people on this forum to be above this. It seems they are not.

    I have seen many videos of Israelis protesting about what is going on in Gaza, also they have human right organizations denouncing the crimes there. So there is no excuse to not speak up against it.

    It is just that they have been heavily brainwashed with the idea that ALL people in Gaza want to kill all Israelis and hence they are ALL seen as either the enemy or future enemy (the kids).

    Now some do, but not all. Just like some Israelis want to wipe out all Gazans but not all Israelis.

    Both sides have some extreme elements and many moderate elements but each side thinks the extreme elements represent the majority when it does not.

    There also is plenty of footage of Israelis cheering when missles were launched to attack Gaza (before 2023).

    So this celebration when the other side suffers goes both ways.

    It is not just the Gazans that celebrate when Israelis get killed.

    This whole thing gives me Prisoner dilemma vibes where each side thinks the other wants it dead and hence they increase their brutality 100 fold.

    It also explains why Hamas is so brutal on Israeli civilians. They probably also think Israelis want to erase Palestine.

    And this current conflict has made it much worse since extreme components of both sides now are celebrating when the other suffers.

    Both governements are extremely toxic and composed of those hardcore groups that actually want to wipe out the other group. First step is for them to go and be replaced with more moderate ones.

    I see Hamas is being slowly destroyed but I do not see much hope that the current hardcore fascist Israeli government being replaced with a moderate one.

    A radical Gaza government with a moderate Israeli governement will likely result in more terrorist attacks and war.

    A radical Israeli government with a moderate Gaza government will likely result in human right abuses and borderline terroristic behavior from Israel (like shooting the 12 year old child in West Bank for a ballon). 

    Hence BOTH need to go.

    Regarding IDF i keep seeing horrible stuff, many of the ones operating in Gaza, are basically pure blue and even indulging in Red behavior.

     

  3. Posted · Edited by Karmadhi

    @Leo Gura Why do you people care so much about how liberal a society is?

    Just because it can be more liberal does not mean it is the best place to live or maximize well being of its people.

    Soviet Russia, at least under Stalin was far worse to live in than most Russian Tsars. 

    I did not see 20 million Soviets die under any Russian Tsar in 15 years time for example.

    I think most people would pick a conservative society that allows them to eat well and not go to prison for no reason than some specific liberal values.

    Under Soviet rule people went to concertation camp like prisons (gulag) for no reason rather than being denounced by someone with 0 proof.

    Under other Soviet leaders you can make the case that it was better than Tsars.

    Ironically Nazi Germany was far better to live in as a German than Soviet Russia was as a Soviet.

    Most of the Nazi atrocities were done to other non German groups outside the borders of Nazi Germany.

    Meanwhile Stalin mostly killed his own people, including millions of Russians.

     

  4. Posted · Edited by Karmadhi

    On another note, I saw this very interesting video.

    It is crazy how far we have come when it comes to morality and what is acceptable in war.

    I can only imagine if the IDF did this in Gaza the outrage would be out of this world.

    Yet it used to be textbook military practice.

    Ironically some hardliners in the Israeli government suggested such thing be done to Gaza "Gaza must turn into Dresden". I wonder if they would be willing to do it, if it was not for the international community.

    But to go even deeper, even what Hamas did on October 7th used to be textbook military practice.

    Humanity has come a long way...

  6. Posted · Edited by Karmadhi

    @Nivsch

    You can see the footage with your own eyes.

    Someone with hand tied then shot is a war crime regardless Hamas or not.

    And I doubt they would be Hamas, Hamas would die fighting.

    Ironically when Russia did a similar thing in Bucha, everyone lost their shit.

    Hypocrisy at its finest.

    My bet is that they assume everyone there is Hamas and they just kill them "to be sure" since Hamas does not have a proper uniform to identify them like other armies do.

    Ironically Hamas said the same thing for October 7th, "we killed people in the crossfire, it was chaos, etc".

    So both use similar lies to justify their atrocities.

  7. Posted · Edited by Karmadhi

    3 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

    From al jazeera??

    Those are the only ones that are there at the moment.

    Israel does not allow others to enter Gaza.

    You can see the footage with your own eyes.

    Someone with hand tied then shot is a war crime regardless Hamas or not.

    And I doubt they would be Hamas, Hamas would die fighting.

    Ironically when Russia did a similar thing in Bucha, everyone lost their shit.

    Hypocrisy at its finest.

  9. Posted

    13 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

     IDF fights hamas people in Al Shiefa hospital. 

    What does that have to do with what I said?

    Having couple hamas guys there and what I wrote are different variables.

    Did Hamas force them to tie the hands of civilians and shoot them?

    Did Hamas force them to set civilian houses in fire with people still inside?

    Did Hamas force them to destroy an entire hospital which is illegal instead of just sending guys there and neutralizing the threat?

  10. Posted · Edited by Karmadhi

     

    7 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

    All of this is a perfect example of Moloch, where one stupid action forces another stupid action and it continues on and on until al there is is Stupid actions where everyone loses, Israel and Palestine are both doing stupid actions or did in the past which has lead to where we are right now, ppl trying to justify these actions to make one side or the other look right! But all war is just Stupid and causes so much suffering!

     

    Thanks for sharing

  11. Posted · Edited by Karmadhi

    I saw a very disturbing video showing murdered people with tied hands and people ran over by bulldozers, setting fire to buildings with sick people still inside etc.

    Israel’s war on Gaza live: Israeli army ‘executed’ civilians at al-Shifa | Israel War on Gaza News | Al Jazeera

    I think IDF now has reached the same level of barbarity and brutality of Hamas.

    They are no longer modern army but more a systematic horde of brutality.

    Sad how humans can become such animals.

    How is the IDF not a terrorist organization yet baffles me.

  13. Posted

    2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    I think he did a decent job given the opposition he faced.

    Obama is very wise, but he is pretty centrist in his views. He doesn't believe in really shaking up the status quo. So you could fault him for that. But it's not like he would have been able to pass radical leftist policy even if he wanted to.

    I would maybe rate him a B- or C+ from the progressive position.

    Thank you for the response.

    I am curious, which are some of your favourite US presidents?

    Especially in the last 30 years or so.

  16. Posted

    2 hours ago, Nivsch said:

    "Likud" is traditionaly more for two state solution than against it, I would say at the very least half of Likud member are for it, for what I have impressed throughout the years, my feelings, not empirical.

    But Likud honestly has become more extreme last years because Netanyahu surround himself graduately by lower and lower quality people.

    Online it is said to be a right wing party. 

    2 hours ago, Nivsch said:

    The claims against a Palestinian state are not out of evilness, but out of fear from more terror, just like we have seen from Gaza after we left it.

    And how has that worked out so far for Israel? October the 7th, endless barrage of rockets, terrorist attacks and massive hatred of Jews and Israelis through the world. Even the strongest allies of Israel like USA or UK are for the two state solution. I think it is the way to go. Also Isarelis like Havari are for the two state solution.

    The ultimate way to solve this cursed conflict is to enable both sides to co exist next to each other in peace.

    Giving Palestinians a state is one of the steps towards true peace.

     

  17. Posted · Edited by Karmadhi

    1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

    Ben Gvir represents up to 5% from the Israelis. Don't believe me just look at his party's relative size.

    IDF is in average FAR more moderate than the current most extreme ever government what is well known long before this war. This government is horrible I have no interest to deffend it.

    And who put them in power? Israel is a democracy is it not?

    You keep ignoring the fact that these people were DEMOCRATICALLY elected.

    Hence they represent the will of Israelis, otherwise they would not get votes.

    Since Israel is a democracy, everything that the government does is directly a responsibility of the people at large that elected them.

    It is not like Iran where the people are held hostage and the government is not really accountable to its people.

    And I am not just talking about Ben gvir and smotrich.

    Also Bibi has been in power for like 15 years or something no?

    How come?

    That whole Likud party of his is a bunch of fascists.

    Who elected them?

    Why didnt Israelis largely elect the liberals you keep talking about?

    Even Bennet does not seem much better, I saw some old interviews of his before this war, justiying annexing West Bank over religious nonsense.

    The only sensible Israeli prime minister seems to be the one that got assassinated by extremists over the two state issue.

    Also that justice minister lady that abolished Palestinian childreen being put in cages.

    Why so little of these and so much of radical fascists?

     

     

     

  18. Posted · Edited by Karmadhi

    12 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

    You are highly doesn't know IDF soldiers and their level of humaneness nor developement.

    I live in a liberal town fulled with IDF air force families and they are humane and loberal as you will be surprised.

    Please read what I wrote in more detail.

    I will write it again in brackets

    "Nobody is saying ALL Israelis are bad nor IDF soldiers are bad, but a part  of IDF including high command people".

    What you said can co exist with what I said.

    Also as you said, you live in a liberal town.

    If you lived in a overly conservative town perhaps the IDF there would be different.

    You dont need 100% of soldiers to be war criminals, even 20% is enough to wreck havoc.

    However the issue here is high command more than individual soldiers, if the high command is loose about war crimes then it will give room for atrocities to occur.

    Ben Gvir literally gave an apploud to a soldier that shot a 12 year old boy in the West Bank.

    A normal country would have that person either trialed or at least discharged. 

    If such behaviour is encouraged people will do it.

    Israel security minister praises officer for shooting dead 12-year-old | BBC News (youtube.com)

    And before you say "not all Israelis are like that nor support that"; well not all Germans supported Goebbels yet he was democratically elected. Such is this guy. Neither do all Palestinians support Hamas.

  20. Posted · Edited by Karmadhi

    @Nivsch @Vrubel

    Nobody is saying ALL Israelis are bad nor IDF soldiers are bad, but a part  of IDF including high command people are animals that should be hanged for war crimes.

    Just like not every German that served during WW2 was bad but a proportion of them were war criminals that did bad things.

    This is the case with Russian Army too in Ukraine.

    However a highly conscious society would not be ok with the way the war is being conducted in Gaza and this shows Israeli society is still quite blue.

    An advanced society would say "If we do to Palestinians the same evils Hamas did to us, we are not better then Hamas. We will not go down that path".

     

  21. Posted

    @Nivsch If someone relative open minded person like you that also uses this forum and follows Leo's work is so prone to be ok with Israel atrocities that have been called out literally by the entire world, I cannot even want to imagine what most more conservatives Israelis might be like.

    Makes me think there is no hope for this conflict being solved anytime soon.

    Is there a way where Palestine can live like a proper country without Israel owning them?

  22. Posted

    @Leo Gura I am talking about purely the domain of physicality which you have openly said also matters a good deal when it comes to attraction.

    No debate that charisma, confidence etc matter a lot too.

    So if muscles are irrelevant, then why height is relevant?

    You cannot deny height is an advantage when it comes to dating.

    So my question was, from a survival pov why women prefer height so much more over physical fitness?

    Note: By muscles I am talking about an athletic fit body, not a mass monster bodybuilder type.

  24. Posted · Edited by Karmadhi

    8 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

    hamas goal is to destroy civilians lives....

    Hamas goal is to destroy the state of Israel.

    Just because they killed civilians does not mean their goal is anything else.

    Also unfortunately in Israel every adult has to serve in the military which gives Hamas the idea that everyone 18+ has been in the IDF and has tortured/killed/oppressed Palestinians at some point.

    They see them probably like retired Nazis.

    I am not saying they are right just explaining their mindset.

    At this point I also heavily despise Hamas for the situation.

    Their stubborness is causing much suffering to the Palestinians.

    Also their goal to destroy the state of Israel is totally not realistic and foolish.

    If I could I would have them gone just like I would have the government of North Korea gone.

    But destroying the whole of Gaza is a price too high and totally unacceptable.

    Also I feel like most of it is just plain cruelty and not militarily effective.

    To top if off with creating a massive famine.

    If Israel was serious about this they would send people in the tunnels, that is how you realistically get them.

    Destroying everything on the ground hurts civilians mostly.

  25. Posted · Edited by Karmadhi

    6 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

    You have to kill 40,000+ hamas terrorists in this war. How technological-intelligence accuracy abillities will help so much in that?

    So it also justifies Hamas killing civilians in their goal to destroy Isarel military?

    Keep in mind 1/3 of October 7th deaths were legitimate IDF staff, not just civilians.

    Also many civilians were killed in the cross fire.

    There were tons of specific striking of civilians by Hamas, but at this point IDF has been doing the same so I dont think they are much better anymore.

    Many videos of them doing so.

    Shooting at people in line to get aid too.

    They killed like 120 civilians trying to get aid, that act alone is on par with the Hamas concert attack in terms of scale and cruelty.