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That is a bullshit myth I used to also believe until I started talking with some of the gamers in my city that do well with it. They are all normal looking guys and they used to get no results from Tinder. Then they started playing around with their pictures and now get like 10 matches a day. And i have seen some of the girls in their profiles, they are quite cute. Yes they are not 10/10s but most guys do not care about that. They will be happy with a 7/10. Tbh most guys have shit profiles and then complain, also they do not pay for platnum. These guys told me that Free tinder is useless. I have seen their Tinders myself so it is not bullshit, it is legit stuff. Maybe some cities are more competitive, I dont know that. I am just reporting from my experience what I have seen. The whole of Tinder is to look better in the pictures than in real life. If you are a 5/10 in real life with the right pictures you can become a 7/10.

I know many guys that replace girlfriends after a few months because they know people. The idea that you need to talk to 100 girls to get 1 only applies to cold approach, not through warm approach and social circle. Most guys date from social circle and it does not take years, usually months if they are open to it. Also I am talking about a guy with good social skills, not a broken incel that has 0 game. It is so effective that it makes cold approach seem inferior. To me it is the equivalent of taking a plane over walking or 5 meo DMT over meditation. Why walk to another country when you can take a plane to get there faster? Why meditate for 40 years to access truths you can by a few trips of DMT (you have this yourself). Same logic: Why do 100 approaches to get 1 date when you can get it from Tinder while taking a shit at your office? "You need to be handsome to get results from online dating" is a myth, at least to get decent girls. To get legit hot girls it is another story but my argument was about a decent girl, not proper hot girl. Most guys dont care about getting hot girls just like most guys dont care about becoming a millionare, they just want a decent job.

You cannot comprehend how hard it is for most guys to do approaches, especially on evening. Girls can be ruthless af in the evenings. During the day they are way nicer but still many of them can get scared from you and it does not make you feel good. You do realize that dating skills are not the same as pickup skills. You need dating skills but you can develop them from tinder because you will go on dates from it. As long as you are getting a supply of dates then who cares.

That is not the issue of most guys though. Their issue is to get a decent girl (not necessarily super hot) to be with them. This desire to fuck 100 girls is very immature and only applies to specific guys, usually with past traumas. What I meant is to get a girlfriend, date her, become single for some months and find someone else through your normal life. Also, getting laid these days is easier than ever. Just use Tinder, with the right pictures you can get options. I made a whole thread about it but in case you dont have time to read it, I have met many guys in my city (other PUAs) that get like 1-2 dates per week by using Tinder. They are normal looking, they just have very good pictures, pay platnum and have good text game. Also these same guys used to get almost no results until they changed their pictures so it is not like they re these Giga Chads or anything like that.

Some of the most conscious kind caring respectful people in my life, both guys and girls have used Tinder at least once in their lives. People can be curious, lonely, in a bad place etc and give it a shot. Does not mean they used it for a long time.

It gives you massive date experience. If you go on 2 dates per week in 1 month it is already like 10 dates which is massive experience. By cold approach you re lucky to get 1 date a week while spending at least 10 hours a week approaching girls. Yes cold approach will teach you how to do an approach but it does not necessary translate into good dating skills. To develop good dating skills you need to go on a lot of dates which is easier to do on Tinder. Tinder costs 0 time because you can do it while commuting or taking a shit.

Common myth. Almost every single guy and girl I have met has used it at least briefly. Very high value developed conscious people I know have used Tinder. Maybe not for a long time but still did. Half or something of all couples these days met online so it is no longer the case where online dating is used by weird people.

True however the guys i said get like 10 matches a day anyway so it does not matter how picky girls are when you are getting results. If you were meeting like 2 girls a week from it would you even bother still going out and doing approaches?

Most guys socialize and have normal healthy social lives, it is not that simple. Approaching 200 girls a month might work but it is not natural at all, humans never mated by doing mass approaching. They mated by normal socialization like normies do. Yet most normies struggle today more than ever. I ve spoken with dozens of guys that have normal healthy social lives, they all struggle to some extent. The pickup solution may work but it is not natural and does not scale well if everyone does it as you have said it yourself.

Then why good guys struggle with girls a lot more than bad boys? This is not rocket science...

Do you think The Matrix really is after him or its just a narrative?

Considering how much money, influence Tate has he likely will get a reduced sentence if any. He said he donated like 10.000 euros a month to the Church in Romania there which was a powerful institution there, in order to gain influence and power in Romania. He probably did it for cases like these where he would need powerful friends and help to get out of legal trouble. Considering how corrupt Romania is, it wont end up that bad for him. Money and influence in a corrupt country defy all legalilty.

Due to hard work and resourcefulness not because of talent. Any good sources for it? They have many things easier due to natural strengths and talents. Not all things but at least some. For me it is close to none. My only strenghts are hard work and resourcefulness which I don't really consider natural talents.

Hi everyone I have been feeling a bit down these last few days when I did an introspection regarding myself and my accomplishments. Everything in my life that I have achieved I have had to fucking work for and was often in bad circumstances. I am not smart (not dumb either) yet through studying a lot managed to get a full education from one of the best universities in Europe (where I live) I am short and naturally skinny yet managed to build a relatively good body that gets compliments whenever the topic of fitness gets brought up. I am an international where I live (non-EU) and yet managed to get myself a good job and a valid work permit (it is harder to get it as an international). I suck at learning languages yet managed to learn English and now I am learning French (doing B2 level atm). And lastly, I am naturally introverted, shy and managed to create a vast circle of friends (both guys and girls) from different countries, personalities etc to the point where I am fulfilled (from a social point of view). When I was younger people did not want to hang out with me often because of my introversion and that often hurt me a lot. Now I can say it is relatively fixed (from friendship and social stuff perspective) Now I am trying to improve my skills with girls, getting used to cold approach, flirting and making moves (I sucked at all of these, still do but less due to practice). I intend to make it a focus of my life for the next year since the other domains have been taken care off. Even here, I am not good looking (prolly average), short, dark skinned and also introverted naturally (not high energy) and naturally scared to approach (am working on fixing it). However, whenever I hear people talk about themselves and stuff I get this feeling like I am innately worthless. Like I have no strengths, no talents, nothing. The only "talent" u can say I have is resourcefulness (good problem solver for my life issues) and open-mindness (ability to shift paradigms etc relatively easy for someone my age). Also natural curiousity since I was young, I always enjoyed learning about new things and currently I have developed a reading habit where I read 10 pages every day (never miss them) and will bump it up to 15 pages , it adds to around 15-20 books per year. It makes me feel sometimes like I am shit. I just wanted to share this. Love you all

Dude you dont need to do game if you are a university student. Just be social at university, dont be a book nerd that studies all the time. Go to university events, join clubs, go to parties, talk to people in class, talk to people in campus etc. SOOOO MANYYY ways to meet people at university, no need to do the classic pickup on the streets or in nightclubs. I do not know how university is organized but just try to be social and active in the university life. You will meet tons of people and will get chances to go out with girls based on that.

Thanks man Years at this point. Yes I use instagram. How do you do that? Thanks man appreciate it Thanks for the share

It takes me around 2 hours to do 10 solid approaches. That means 100 hours to get 1 lay. Do you really expect people to be ok with such numbers? Maybe at first ok since it is an investment to learn the skills but normally it should be less once you get the first few hundreds of approaches away and learn the basics. A friend of mine took 600 approaches for first his lay then around 1000 he started getting consistent results. Now he sleeps with around 1/20 girls he approaches (he has done close to 3000 though).

Practice mindfulness and presence when you talk to girls.

So after a lot of procrastinating I finally embarked on my pickup journey around 2 months ago. So far it has been an interesting experience and I would like to share with you some of the benefits I have noticed and also a list of limiting beliefes which i would appreciate some advice with. First of all just to make it clear, I am still a newbie and around the 100 approach mark. Most of them were from nightgame (usually bars or social areas where I live) but also did some day approaches. For day it was especially brutal because I associate it with something weird so I started to first give compliments (5 a day) then built up into conversations. I would say most approaches were from night though (I dont really count compliments as approaches because I never did conversations even though some girls were super receptive to the compliment). There is a telegram group from my city, BIG THANK YOU to @Leo Gura for posting it on this forum which allowed me to find wings in a quite active community. Now some of the positive things I noticed: = I am a lot less insecure about my looks since now I can tell that girls can get attracted to me, most are not but usually some are and it feels quite good. = Sense of hope, I know I wont die alone haha = Really helped me getting over the fear of rejection which was a huge issue. The first time I did a semi cold approach at a university party (before the game journey) I got a super nice rejection and was so upset about it I literally left the party. Now I can get rejected 5 times a night even harshly and I give 0 shits the next minute. = Learned how to use presence and awareness to help with attraction. Also improved charisma slightly and ability to build rapport really fast (helps with social events). =Doing something most people do not have the balls to do always feels good. =Met some interesting people and some guys with really good game (not Youtube level but still amaizing) =Even though daygame seems more weird to me, I actually get better actual results from it. I have managed to get 1 date from it and also some contacts which always respond so that is quite nice. Now some limiting beliefs I still have = It feels somehow like I have failed in other ways of getting girls and have resorted to the most hardcore path ever. Makes me feel a bit bad about myself somewhat, like I am a not a normal person that can get girls normally. I have pretty decent social skills and a healthy circle of friends (both guys and girls, even pretty girls) so I wonder why... =Still am feeling a bit jealous of girls or very good looking guys for not having to endure this stuff and just getting attention for existing. Especially girls. Sometime wishing to be born a girl. I intent to continue doing this in the future even though I can meet girls in other ways naturally, just the volume from those ways is not enough.

Leo take into account that people have different personalities and vibes. Just because a few people can do that does not mean most people can even with practice. I know a guy in my city that has insane game and he outperforms guys that have been doing game way longer than him. Because he has the right personality for it. I agree that with lots of practice you can improve a lot but comparing yourself with a specific person is not correct in my opinion. Also take into account that people have different lives. Some people have other stuff to do outside game like friends, hobbies, work etc so they cannot afford to do hardcore pickup every single week for many years. Maybe you designed your life in a way where you could take a 2 year break from other stuff and just do pickup but most cannot do that. I am not saying that you cannot go out at all, that is ofc an excuse that guys use. However to me if you are able to do 1000-2000 approaches (especially if you do a lot of daygame) , especially if you have some decent social skills to begin with it should be enough to handle your dating life with that experience, assuming your standards arent crazy high and you are not going for the top 5% of women. Just to have a decent dating life and some options.

Thank you I agree totally. I used to be REALLY insecure but now slightly less because I just focus on the girls that are interested. If I approach 10 girls and 1 or 2 are interested I see it as "that is great, some girls like me" instead of "omg most girls dont like me". Thank you for the tip but tbh I never struggled with this. I am a well educated person so my issue was just shit talk more than being geeniounly interesting. Agreed. Agreed. Thank you

How? I am confused about it. So far the benefits I have received have been stuff like more confidence, better flirting skills, being able to talk with people more easily etc. What other growth is there? You have said it yourself that pickup is more of a shallow pursuit so you wont experience spiritual growth from it, so what growth is there except more confidence, better flirting/social skills and more charisma? Not saying these things are not great but it feels like I am just doing catch up more than anything else.

The thing is that my growth is just catching up to what people have naturally. Not giving a shit about rejection, being more confident and having some options, many guys and girls have these naturally. It is not like i am growing in a way that they do not have originally. Therefore as nice as it is, it does not properly satisfy me.

I dont enjoy it that is the thing. How can I learn to enjoy it?? I see them as having many options and insane social value without doing anything and getting a bunch of freebies. It seems like their life is way easier.

Going in completly empty not expecting anything and just going in to give value. For day you just go in to give a compliment without strings attached and if she is receptive to it you continue talking. You must be naïve, innocent and curious during it. Not like a starved pickup daygame dog. Also basically turning down your mind and not thinking at all. Just being presence in the moment. Meditation helps, also practice mindfulness during your day. Walk around for 10 minutes without thinking anything. For evening, it is about strong eye contact, close distance and just being present. Focus all ur energy towards her, smile and dont think of anything. Best way I can describe it tbh. Everyone I know did via Tinder or social circle.