aurum
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Notice the fighting and lack of integration with SD Blue / Orange.
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I like her progressive vision and passion. She also is steeped in non-duality via ACIM, which is an interesting shift.
My main concern is with her lack of political experience. It also doesn’t seem realistic to believe she will actually win the nomination over Biden, assuming he runs.
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7 minutes ago, DocWatts said:That said, even for a country as polarized as the current United States, there are a number of issues of which it can be said that we have reached a working consensus on as a society (or at least as close to one as it's possible to get in a very large and complex society). Whether women and minorities should be able to vote and hold political office is one of the more obvious examples, since anyone who believed otherwise would be well outside of the Overton window, and would have to use dog whistle rhetoric to make their position palatable within the public sphere (and mind you, this is exactly how modern fascism does work).
Yes.
8 minutes ago, DocWatts said:An good litmus test to distinguish between the two, in addition to the Overton window aspect which I brought up earlier, is the degree to which the person or movement in question is willing overturn democratic norms in order to get their agenda passed (which consequentially, is why I have no problem labeling the MAGA movement as unequivocally fascistic). Wanting to overturn Roe v Wade isn't necessarily fascistic; trying to forcibly drag the country back 100 years by burning democratic institutions to the ground absolutely is. Likewise, using either implicit or explicit rhetoric which advocates for political violence is another very clear indication that you're dealing with fascism rather than conservatism.
I think those are some better pragmatic heuristics. Certainly democracy is more fundamental than any particular political opinion and crucial to maintain. And political violence should also be a clear sign that a line has been crossed.
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3 hours ago, DocWatts said:A conservative will most likely be uneasy with expanding these rights and recognition further or extending them to other groups, but to the degree that their perspective is conservative rather than fascistic, they're generally not trying to eradicate basic basic human rights that have been extended to people of color, women, gay people, etc.
4 hours ago, Emerald said:But their main target right now is legalistically attacking Trans people. And if they’re successful their next target will be gay people. And if their successful their next target will be ethnic and religious minorities. And so on and so on.
And they get otherwise accepting people to hate these groups by claiming that the LGBTQ community is grooming children.
In my state they’re banning books. And there are lots of local officials now that are associated with the Proud Boys and other groups like that.
I agree that we can and should make a distinction between fascism and conservatism. And that some of today’s modern conservatives have legitimately slid into a territory that should be labeled fascism.
I think what I am getting stuck on with this topic the degree of relativity when it comes to labeling things as fascism.
For instance, @DocWatts you say that normal conservatives will be open to basic human rights already extended within the overton window and not eradicate them. And I think that’s a good rule of thumb to distinguish between healthy and more toxic conservatism.
However, the whole problem is that progressives and conservatives do not sometimes agree on what is a “basic” human right in the first place.
A progressive might argue that LGBTQ marriage is a basic human right, while the conservative does not see it that way at all. Does that make the conservative a fascist? Whose relative definition of a “right” are we using?
The error I feel I see a lot of SD Green progressives make is that they are implicitly assuming that their relative definition of “rights” are political truths are actually absolute. And they are not.
This leads to a noticeable amount of progressives labeling conservatives “fascist” when that label really just doesn’t fit. Or, the label itself just become pointless because essentially conservatism = fascism in their mind.
@EmeraldTo use your example, if conservatives rolled back the majority of the progress that has been made for the LGBTQ community, I would appose it. But I would not generally call it fascism. I would call it conservatism. Rolling back LGBTQ is precisely what conservatives are interested in.
We also saw this with the overturn of Roe V Wade. Many progressives called it fascist. When in reality, this is just what conservatives want. This is what conservatives fighting against “crazy social experiments” looks like. To them, abortion IS dangerous leftism out of control.
My concern here that a) we become unable to distinguish between conservatism and actual fascism and b) an increase in political polarization by labeling those who disagree with you as fascists. This labeling does not come without a cost and needs to be applied accurately.
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It really seems to be like fascism is just conservatism taken to its most extreme.
Almost all of these points could be made of standard republican conservatives we have in the US. And yet I don’t see them necessarily as fascists. It’s more like fascism-lite.
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Interview from Tubby Love, guy in the video:“TJ: What kind of spiritual influences do you have in your life? What pulls you?
TL: *singing* “Jah Love is everywhere!” Jah man.
TJ: So Rastafari?
TL: I believe that Rastafari is one way to say it, but it’s the same. It’s all the same to me.
TJ: Just God. Just Jah.
TL: Yup I and I. Like I said earlier, I’m a sprit inside of a body, and I feel like the breath of life, Aloha, the breath of life is in everything. Everything is alive. Everything is moving. These walls around us are made out of trees. You know what I’m saying? It’s all connected. I believe in the connection of all things, and I believe that’s what I and I is. I am this, I am that, I am comma that. So the same breath that is in me is in all beings. I and I! “
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Andrew Rousso is mostly Green. This a good example.
Key memes: anti-producitivty, worker unionization, government regulations
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Been through this same internal struggle A LOT.
The solution for me has been taking on a 9-5 that at least puts me in the right direction of my LP, even if it’s not exactly what I’m looking for. So I’m able to get the capital I need while still feeling close to in alignment with what I want to do in the future, plus building skills.
If that’s not an option for you, then I’d say you just have to weigh the benefit of the extra capital with time loss on your LP. No perfect solution here.
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*scientist opens up Leo’s skull after death*
*sees only a paper note with writing*
* “The brain is imaginary, you fool” *
*scientist Awakens on the spot*
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50 minutes ago, Jacob Morres said:i mean yeah dude it's not easy. it takes a ton of work and character development
i'm not really talking about shady guys. i'm talking about if u want to be able to get consistent dates, or a good sex life.
None of that means women are “too picky”.
You are defining pickiness relative to what is good for your dating life. But consider that is your problem, not the problem of women.
Consider instead what is in the best interest of women.
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9 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:Mainly because most brains of Progressive's, the area that 'spots the differences' and identifies problems, is much more active compared to conservative minds, which is why sometimes progressives appear more whiny and complains about issues, because sometimes that's literally what they see all the time.
Yes it’s related. “Whiny” can be similar to having a victim mentality.
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13 hours ago, Someone here said:It's simpler than that. Let's go by my example of rape, the conservative approach. Liberalism blames the "aggressor" while conservatism blames the "victim". Conservatism is anti-victim mentality. Liberalism is pro-victim mentality.
More like:
Liberalism wants to address larger societal problems related to patriarchy and toxic masculinity which lead to rape.
This correlates with an increase in responsibility for men and all those in power to not abuse it. It’s not about victim mentality, it’s about a leveling of power dynamics and higher ethical standards. That’s what Green cares about.
Of course some progressives can get stuck in victim mentality. But to smear all this as being “woke” or “being a victim” is precisely the error the right wing is making. That is a strawman and cherrypicking.
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19 hours ago, Emerald said:Couldn’t have said it better myself ?
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Yes, feminism and acillary progressive ideologies are demolishing traditional ideas of what it means to be a man or a woman. This is not a mistake, this is the evolution of consciousness and natural consequence of societal development. But there will be challenges on all sides.
Those who cling to their old identity will see said new ideologies as wrong, bad or evil. They will lash out and feel confused. There may be an existential crisis. This is how it always works when the ego is threatened.
With all these emotions being stirred up, this does create a market for grifters to exploit. And most of the time these grifters themselves will not even be conscious of what they are doing. They are suffering from the exact same problem. They also are subscribed to these reactionary ideologies. Thus, it's fearful men selling to other fearful men.
Men are going to have to redefine masculinity outside of what it previously meant. Which may include some of the traditional elements, but also will likely exclude others. Transcend and include.
Of course this does not explain ALL of the behavior found in these alt-right communities. Some guys are just pissed because they've been through a real bad divorce / breakup and these anti-women narratives appeal to their bitterness. But there is a larger dynamic going on outside of that.
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@Someone here Of course some liberals can be very immature and irresponsible. But I’d argue your read of the room is off.
A liberal who has made it to stage Green tends to actually be more responsible than conservatives. What you interpret as liberals not taking personal responsibility is actually an increase in their circle of concern. Which transcends and includes personal responsibility.
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I recently rewatched this video by Leo:
If you haven’t seen it, Leo essentially outlines the psychology of someone who has truly mastered money.
This got me thinking, who are real life examples of humans who have mastered money?
It’s difficult for me to even come up with any. Most people who society holds up as a master of money is only a master of materialism. This does not fit Leo’s definition of money mastery per the video
A true money master would have also escaped the trap of materialism.
Some other characteristics as outlined by Leo:
1) Money is coming from your highest life purpose
2) Money is easily created
3) Money is not hoarded or based in fear
4) Money is not put above Love and Consciousness
Who do you think IRL closely fits Leo’s definition of a money master? Post them here.
I’m going to nominate Wim Hof:
He maybe is more on the hippy side. But his business, Inner Fire, seems to be a big international success. Yet he also seems to have gone beyond money completely. And he is absorbed in his LP.
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Key memes: environmentalism, late-stage capitalism, selfish individualism, anti-consumerism, privilege, egalitarianism, protesting for social justice.
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32 minutes ago, martins name said:People have gone 60 days+ without electrolytes at Loren Lockman's center
Didn't dispute that.
There are people who claim to be breatharians and have gone a year + without eating. And I'm tempted to believe some of them may be telling the truth.
32 minutes ago, martins name said:Granted, the springwater they use probably contains more electrolytes than the tap water I'm drinking.
Of course it does. Springwater absolutely has electrolytes.
32 minutes ago, martins name said:Still, it works and it's safe as long as you know what you are doing. Don't sweat basically. I don't see a reason to mess with something that works
Worked for you, you mean.
Health is complex. There are many factors.
32 minutes ago, martins name said:I'm confident fasting works for most people if it's done right. I think OP is in a small minority. Animals fast when they are sick, this is why we lose our appetite when we get sick. Fasting is a natural thing done by, I'd think, all mammals, not some health fad that works for a couple of people.
None of this is in dispute either. I've done lots of fasting and continue to do so even to this day. I don't think fasting in of itself is a hoax
Still, we have to distinguish between people for whom fasting may be indicated or contraindicated. Every trained health care professional understands this. If you just sloppily assume your method will work for everyone, that's often how people get hurt or even killed.
In addition, we have to distinguish between reckless forms of fasting and fasting that is likely safer / healthier. If it's true that OP had never done a fast before and immediately jumped into doing 21 days, I'd generally consider that reckless. I cannot imagine almost any situation where that would be indicated. May be in an extremely small minority of cases. In that case, I'd say Tanglewood is on questionable ethical ground by even allowing him to do such a long fast.
If you really want to do 21 days, a better approach for most people would be to start slow and see how your body responds. Start with even just 24 or 72 hours. Can you even manage that? That alone will be extremely challenging for a lot of people.
Jumping into 21 days is like doing a breakthrough dose of 30mg of 5Meo on your first psychedelic trip.
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21 minutes ago, martins name said:The arguments against using electrolytes is: one, that the body doesn't fully go into fasting mode if it gets nutrients.
There is nothing I’ve seen that suggests such a thing when it comes to electrolytes.
https://healthreporter.com/does-salt-break-a-fast/
https://healthinsider.news/electrolytes-while-fasting-diet-en/
21 minutes ago, martins name said:Two, if you supplement the 10 most common electrolytes the other electrolytes you are not supplementing can become imbalanced.
Considering that the consensus seems to be that you will rip through your electrolytes in the first couple of days, you are still likely better off.
21 minutes ago, martins name said:Personally, I did a 2 week fast Loran Lockman style last summer without supervision. My health problems that have ruined my last 6 years got cured
Then I’m happy for you. I’m willing to say that whatever Loren is doing is probably working for him. And it may even work for a number of people.
But in the case of OP, it sounds like a disaster.
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8 minutes ago, LoneWonderer said:I want to cut down but before doing that I want to know possible side effects but taking into account that the rest of my diet, exercise, sleep etc is in check.
My guess is the most immediate side effect would throwing your electrolyte balance off. Which could lead to problems with hydration and probably a whole host of other things.
Long-term I’m not sure. There seems to be some correlation with salt and hypertension. But I don’t feel qualified to really say.
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7 hours ago, Spiral said:@aurum As a Swedish person I’m amazed that I didn’t know this was a think. Guess you learn something every day.
I suppose the thai don’t call it a Thai massage either.
And all the techniques are named in French
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9 hours ago, LoneWonderer said:About 4-6 teaspoons a day@aurum
So you actively dump 4-6 teaspoons at day on top of your food?
That does sound like way too much to me.
Personally I’ll do about a pinch or two per day.
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10 hours ago, LoneWonderer said:a lot of salt...like A LOT.
How much is a lot?
You definitely want some salt in your diet. Ideally in a high quality form like sea salt or pink salt. But you can definitely overdo it as well.
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Why on earth would they tell you not to take electrolytes? The whole thing just sounds reckless to me.
For the record, I also had a bad experience with a water fast. Mine was not 21 days but I definitely felt like shit afterwards. I bounced back though, and I bet you will too.
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I agree with that.
This is where I think it gets hairy.
Most conservatives are interested in doing just what you described. Perhaps not through genocide or ethnic cleansing. Normie conservatives are not that extreme, and in that way we can draw a distinction. But nonetheless that is often part of the essence of conservatism. It’s a position many conservatives hold who I don’t think rightfully would be labeled fascist.
What else is MAGA but a mythical past that can be achieved by the purging of degenerates? This is not a fringe position. Yet not all trump supporters are fascists. Or if you want to say they are fascists, then I argue the term loses its value.
Again, this sounds like a slightly more extreme version of the standard conservatism we have today.
Many conservatives are very happy with these traditional roles. But I wouldn’t label them fascists per say.
I think that’s a good distinction. But one of my points was that this is all relative to how you define what is “normal”. And people do have different opinions on this. Different heuristics and epistemology for how we should even go about answering the question “what is normal?”
If you define normal solely through the lens of many progressives, it can start to seem like everything conservative is fascism. Abortion rollbacks become fascism because to some progressives, abortion is “normal” and “obvious”. LGBTQ rollbacks are fascism because LGBTQ rights are “normal” and “obvious”.
Of course not every progressive is thinking this way. But I’ve seen it enough that I think it’s worth mentioning.
I agree with all that.
Good video, I think he has a real point about fascism being more about personality and motivation than particular opinions. I still find his heuristics for fascism vs conservatism lacking, but perfection is not necessary to pragmatically avoid fascist traps. It’s a solid explanation overall.