Nivsch
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@kenway You are DECIDING that i am doing x or y because it fits you agenda.
No.
What I am doing is just what I wrote and for the raw words I wrote only for them I am responsible.
The way you are interpreting my words is a totally different story.
But if you want to play the game of interpretations, then I feel behind your words that you are highly uncomfortable with my claims.
Maybe because it treaten your agenda to hear that 10,000s of Israeli young guys are also put their life on a stake right now fighting agaisnt hamas in thd horror land of traps and explosive charges all over and for two months now.
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1. "Reasonable reason to believe..." wow. What a proof.
2. "Causing physcial and mental harm". Yes. This is war.
3. "Causing force evacuation and diaplacement." Yes. Whem hamas stick itself to them in super glue.
4. "Failing to provide shelter and medical needs". So now Israel is responisble to 2 millions people's health care too?
5. "Destroying palestinians life in Gaza" what a scientific claim. Yes people life are being destroyed on both sides. Including tens of thousands of young Israeli guys in their 20s and 30s who are now sacrifice their life in the almost or even most dangerous war zone in the world.
6. The only country who is never allowed to win a war, even in far better conditions - Israel.
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@Karmadhi Yes but the Arab started the war because they didn't accept those borders. What proves to us - they are not satisfied even with 48' borders!
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@zazen That's why the offers said "with area exchanges" to provide them still the area that is as big as 67' lines just different (then no need to evacuate the settlements) so Gideon Levi doesn't prove anything here.
By the way he is roughly the most radical journalist in Israel. Not sure if his statements are reliable enough. Has to be taken with a grain of salt.
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@Raze I am for it but they got countless offers to have a state and refused.
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@Raze Ok then Israel has to end and Jews will immigrate to America to let the Palestinians solve their problem.
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6 minutes ago, Vrubel said:You guys here try to play a game of diminishing the threat and actions of Hamas and pretend the Palestinians are totally oppressed without agency in some kind of concentration camp and have zero responsibility for their depraved actions. That's why I keep telling you guys to watch 4k walking videos of Palestine.
Yes. The Palestinians are the main responsible to their problem and they are the only ones who can release themselves from their situation.
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8 minutes ago, Raze said:Has hamas ever harmed any Jews outside of historical Palestine?
Why did Hamas’s founder say the organization was founded not to fight Jews but to fight occupiers?
Would Hamas have been founded and gotten popularity if Israel wasn’t committing so much violence towards Palestinians? Notice how their popularity grew after every military action.
Just see what happened during the 1920s and 1930s with Amin El Husseini and Arabs massacres towards the Jews. The same ideology. Before Israel has established.
How hamas behave to their own people too. All the inner tyranni between their different groups and within the familiy structure. Tyranni all the way down.
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1 hour ago, Karmadhi said:Hamas are fighting back Israeli theft and murder which they themselves started by illegally taking their land and putting them in a big air prison. And Hamas death toll civilian wise is super low. Like 600 or something max. Compare that with Nazis 15 something million.
hamas is projecting out his original disorder that would be expressed anyway, and got triggered and worse after Israel has established.
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The Positive Link Tree 🌲 🌅 😃
some notes:
1. This link tree will be relatively short and will apear in an only one concentrated message per day or per couple of days, to not flood the thread,
2. This is NOT aimed to do an IDF propaganda. idf does make mistakes of course also in Gaza, and have to learn from them and develop himself.
3. However, sometimes an unjust skewed picture that is built from a cherry picking strategy has to be balanced out by a counter picture, even if you can claim it is also cherry picked.
4. I will try to not only show IDF goods here but also and even more than that, to show an authentic picture as much as I can of our society.
5. There is no desire to push an agenda to anybody here, but just to balance out what I think and feel as quite unjust and distorted picture being created here and to let everybody to judge the situation by themselves from a more balanced and stable position 🙂
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@zazen You are free to think whatever you want.
I can cherry pick five cases of murder everyday in Canada and flood the forum with them and you will be sure that canada is a medieval place.
Your critisism is not really fair and decent becasue you take isolated cases and project them on Israel as allegedly this is the real character of Israel, which is far from the truth as west is far from the east.
when pretending to take extreme cases and from them critisize an entire country, the critisim must be taken in a proper proportions and relative to realistic outcomes in a western world average context. Otherwise the critism will be misleading and hypocrite.
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@kenway hamas strategy is all about being assimilated between civilians.
You can suggest better ways to annihilate this terror organization if you have.
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@hundreth I agree with you but the empathy to the other side is reduced to approximately zero when nobody here is willing to understand our side.
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40 minutes ago, zazen said:their have been plenty of dehumanising statements from Israel which show that intentional killing could easily be believed to occur.I can admit about myself, that my anger about the Gazan's support of hamas and their celebrations after oct 7th made me also think about them differently.
Not to mention that those poor children are poisoned and brainwashed by hamas for the rest of their lives.
Why isn't the world shaken by that?
If your village was under pogrom and your friends were taken to behind the border being held with a gun to their head you would also say nasty things about the other side.
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@zazen Criminals there are everywhere. Isolated cases of criminal activity when you have 10,000s soldiers operate there will always occure.
This doesn't prove anything, sorry.
By that logic, Canada is a murderous toxic masculine tyranni because sometimes women are being murdered by their husbands there, just like in everywhere else.
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7 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:This is at most a too loose tactic to hit a terror target and you can critisize that but keep in mind there are 10,000s terror targets to attack and not sure if this is really possible to avoid this.
But this is not at all a proof of an intentional attack on civilians.
hamas uses civilians homes as its regular strategy.
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2 hours ago, Karmadhi said:@Nivsch They are murdered. Not just displaced.
They are not.
Unless you have a proof of an intentional killing of cilivlians and you don't have that.
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@kenway What I understand is that you and most of the people here care about the palestinians point of view much much more than the Isrealis point of view. That is for sure and beyond any doubt.
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9 hours ago, Karmadhi said:Its scary how you pro Israelis conviently ignore all the horrible footage of mistreatment of Palestinians coming out of Gaza daily.
Imagine back in the day when all the information you had was your local biases newspaper.
Scary…When people you care about will be held in Gaza for 80 days with a gun to their head after your village went through a pogrom, then a displacement of Gazans from their homes won't be exactly a top priority of your concerns.
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19 minutes ago, hundreth said:He is an echo of a prominent left wing narrative provided by many prominent voices in the space such as Breaking Points, Majority Report, Secular Talk, etc. They all present a very simplistic "Israel are evil mass murderers and Palestinians are all innocent saints, except Hamas which is a distinct minority which cannot and should not be eliminated and the only answer is a ceasefire" story.
To say they are just simplistic is an assault. Is like saying that flat earthers are just simplify the real picture, no, they are more like turn it upside down.
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35 minutes ago, _Archangel_ said:History numbers and data is the only way you can make sense of these kind of conflicts.
If this isn't the way the how?The complex relationships between the data are that matter.
About the difference in casulaties see what I think here:
There are no "executions" but isolated more rare cases of criminal activity by idiots can always be when you have tens of thousands of people or soldiers who are also people by the way, anywhere.
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5 hours ago, _Archangel_ said:Do you realise this line of thinking can be used to justify Hamas right?
If Israel would harm civilians intentionally I would agree with you, but this is not at all the case.
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@Raze Not true. hamas will not release the hostages without the military pressure.
Imagine your friends and family were hostages in Syria and think whether you would not flip Syria upside down to release them.
Part of the actions are aimed also to psychological purposes in order to rise the pressure, but you guys are so judgmental when it comes to Israel when you know quite well that you would do the exact same.
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@_Archangel_ Think seriously about what would you do if you have for 15 years to go through countless operations that lead to nothing and when one day your entire village were killed or kidnapped while Gazans citizens are celebrating giving out toffy candies.
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Posted · Edited by Nivsch
@kenway The discussion here is much more biased than I am.
I am at least admit mistakes and not totally demonizing the other side with childish claims based on cherry picking of the top 0.01% most extremist journalists.