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@Ham Sure, I'll pm it to you

@Visionary Okay cool, sounds good. And you got that by doing the recorded transmissions on his youtube channel? I just did one, felt quite loving so will try more. The woman you talked about I'll also check out. @LfcCharlie4 Yes the loc-assessment always felt like it could involve a lot of bias and such to me. So then one I think quite naturally also turns some of that doubt on their whole RASA too. I never felt much from their recorded RASA video's, the videos from the youtube channel 'The Enlightened Way' seem to do more for me, and also he has weekly live transmissions that could be joined for 10$ (or free), so I'll try that out. I appreciate your advice of using RASA over an extended period, but that seems a little too expensive for me lol

Okay thanks man. Could you share what it did for you and about how many times you did these transmissions?

They say so. You can look on youtube for 'Open Circle Ramaji' and find some recorded transmissions on there, skip to the part in the video where the transmission start (at the end somewhere). I tried it for some time but it didn't do much seemingly though

Hi Haumea, didn't see your reply on time. Well I was told I was at a 1000. But that happened when a rasa giver en me became friends and he wanted to talk with me for fun, for free. He then wanted to talk me through the (he didn't give RASA) levels, and each time I said I understood what he said (often times I already had the insight before he talked about, so it wasn't much new), he said my loc went up. Eventually, he said I was at 1000, and I surely was very suspicious as I felt he could just say that because the person wanted it to be so. He said he send my picture to Amanda and told me she had confirmed me at 1000.

I have never done shaktipat, but have done RASA. The people that give it do sometimes promote it as a fasttrack towards enlightenment, however I underwent RASA a couple of times and was said to reached the level of consciousness and I only needed to wait. I have waited now for almost 2 years but don't feel it had much effect. That doesn't mean it couldn't work very well for other people. Jed Mckenna said once something like 'of course, when the apples are ripe from the tree, you can shake it a little and the apples will fall, not much to it. However the fruits must be ripe first, so just do the work..'. Not sure if that analogy is accurate or not, but just sharing.

Just wanted to share this part of the book series 'Conversations with God' (book 3 specifically) in the light of all the mahasamadhi talk. Couldn't bear it to not post this. This contradicts the discussion or idea on this forum that Mahasamadhi is final and eternal: (Neal in dark red and that which is said to be God in blue) Am I clear that, once we reach this state of Oneness which many call Nirvana—once we return to the Source—we don't stay there? The reason I am asking this again is that this seems to run counter to my understanding of many Eastern esoteric and mystical teachings. To remain in the state of sublime no-thing, or Oneness with the All, would make it impossible to be there. As I've just explained, That Which Is cannot be, except in the space of That Which Is Not. Even the total bliss of Oneness cannot be experienced as "total bliss" unless something less than total bliss exists. So, something less than the total bliss of total Oneness had to be—and continually has to be—created. But when we are in total bliss, when we have merged once more with the Oneness, when we have become Every-thing/No-thing, how can we even know that we exist? Since there is nothing else that we are experiencing... I don't know. I don't seem to understand this. This is one I can't seem to get a handle on. You are describing what I call the Divine Dilemma. This is the same dilemma God has always had—and that God solved with the creation of that which was not God (or thought it was not). God gave—and gives again, in every instant—a part of Itself to the Lesser Experience of not knowing Itself, so that the Rest of Itself can know Itself as Who and What It Really Is. Thus, "God gave His only begotten son, that you might be saved." You see now from where this mythology has sprung. I think that we are all God—and that we are constantly, every one of us, journeying from Knowing to Not Knowing to Knowing again, from being to not being to being again, from Oneness to Separation to Oneness again, in a never-ending cycle. That this is the cycle of life—what You call the Cosmic Wheel. Exactly. Precisely. That is well said. But do we all have to go back to ground zero? Do we always have to start over, completely? Go back to the beginning? Return to square one? Do not pass "Go," do not collect $200? You do not have to do anything. Not in this lifetime, not in any other. You will have choice—always you will have free choice—to go anywhere you wish to go, do anything you wish to do, in your re-creation of the experience of God. You can move to any place on the Cosmic Wheel. You may "come back" as anything you wish, or in any other dimension, reality, solar system, or civilization you choose. Some of those who have reached the place of total union with the Divine have even chosen to "come back" as enlightened masters. And, yes, some were enlightened masters when they left, and then chose to "come back" as themselves. You must surely be aware of reports of gurus and masters who have returned to your world over and over again, manifesting in repeated appearances throughout the decades and centuries. You have one entire religion based on such a report. It is called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and it is based on the report of Joseph Smith that the Being calling himself Jesus returned to Earth many centuries after his apparently "final" departure, this time appearing in the United States. So you may return to any point on the Cosmic Wheel to which it pleases you to return. Still, even that could be depressing. Don't we ever get to rest? Don't we ever get to stay in nirvana, to remain there? Are we doomed forever to this "coming and going"—this "now you see it, now you don't" treadmill? Are we on an eternal journey to nowhere? Yes. That's the greatest truth. There is nowhere to go, nothing to do, and no one you have to "be" except exactly who you're being right now. The truth is that there is no journey. You are right now what you are attempting to be. You are right now where you are attempting to go. It is the master who knows this, and thus ends the struggle. And then does the master seek to assist you in ending your struggle, even as you will seek to end the struggle of others when you reach mastery. Yet this process—this Cosmic Wheel—is not a depressing treadmill. It is a glorious and continual reaffirmation of the utter magnificence of God, and all life—and there is nothing depressing about that at all.

@Salvijus Interesting how that works! Yes I do Shambhavi Mahamudra, for about 4/5 months now. I was thinking of doing other practices of isha center but am already doing multiple other things atm. I'm going to pm you about a question I have with the Shambhavi

I've been using https://www.ascensionlibrary.org/ for a while and seems like it could make some people very happy so thought I would share. The work comes from Judy Satori who channels and transmits (from Spirit/God often), which can be listened to on the site as audio files, so you just have to listen to 'weird' noises and receive the energy. There are numerous programs as well, and it all seems quite powerful. You can create a free explore membership with this link https://www.ascensionlibrary.org/offers/ewV8xFFc and you'll get access to some free things. I've been thinking if I should mention this, but, I'll leave it up to you what you do with it: if you want a program but feel too low on money, you can pm me and I might share a download link with you. Please consider paying for a membership if you can afford it for at least a month or so.

@LfcCharlie4 yes got you. In a conscious world, I think people create something because that's what they love, that's who they are, which is a different orientation than looking at what others want. I heard Bashar say (not sure if you know him), that if you're passionate about creating/sharing something, there will be others who want to receive it, always, as that is how life works. Life doesn't create a longing to share, without something that wants to receive it. But of course, we're not quite living in such a conscious world and not many people would be willing to try this approach, and that marketeer quote could be a big step up for how business is run today.

I'm still considering to go to the Isha Center for half a year, sounds like a good opportunity for transformation. Maybe in a couple months time.. How has your experience been with Shambhavi @Salvijus?

@Rikimaus Thanks, I added it in. I get why you would say it's good non-duality for beginners, because the language is easy and some of the basics are covered. However there is a lot of beauty, love, wisdom and clarity wrapped around these topics, which makes it hard to call it basic imo Okay cool, good to know you're not assuming you'll be able to be in the Total Unity forever Ah perhaps we've had infinite loops through the Cosmic Wheel/Giant Circle already, in a time sense.

Honestly I don't think that last line is good life advice at all. Doesn't sound to have much to do with living from the heart or with your own internal guidance

Beautiful:) How you got there, psychedelics, or?

@Meta-Man I'm not a big fan of Jed's style and perspective anymore, but thank you for the gesture Oh yes what a crazy things we can do. For me it was quite scary to know that you're capable of much more then you would have thought if shit hits the fan. @Serotoninluv Oh lol, nice story. yes crazy how easily this distinction between real and imaginary get's blurred and mixed up while tripping. In another trip I was walking with a blanket and when I looked down and saw the blanket I thought I just became the pope. In my mind I saw hundreds of thousands of people were on the move to see me, and I became absolutely panicked because I didn't know what to do, or say to them. These experiences can feel more much real than normal experiences, and found it quite helpful to just write a note for myself for when I would be tripping, to drop any belief or thought I held no matter how important it felt. The challenge is putting that note in a place you'll see it and read it “They don’t know you are tripping unless you let them know”. That's a golden nugget for sure if you manage to think of that while tripping It seems better to me to not do anything while you're planning to trip, that way you're prepared for if the trip will come on and you'll know what will happen and can use the experience. If the trip slips in while doing some activities you're much more prone to get delusional

Lol, I want to share a story too. I once did shrooms in a forest, was completely tripping my balls out and thought I was guided by Jed Mckenna (in my thoughts) to attempt to drown myself in a lake, so I would (in my mind) get rescued by people and they would bring me to Jed. At some point of trying to drown myself, my body was screaming for breath I eventually burst out of the water saying 'No more of this shit'. Got out of the water, saw a house in the forest and ran toward it. I pulled off all my clothes while running, except for my underpants and maybe a sock. Once at the house I knocked on the door and screamed that 'Lisa please open the door, you need to bring me to Jed' (I somehow thought she was a personage from Jed's book, lol). Woman appeared at the other side of the door, she didn't open of course, but released some dogs who were trained police dogs, and called police. I smacked her windows with my hand as I wanted to be safe inside, but after some time heard police so tried jumping over her high fence to get away. Got severely stuck in barbed wire, with my head swinging over the floor, and when making some powerful but painful attempts to rip myself free I only ripped open my leg. The police found me like this, swinging upside down in barbed wire, completely wet and covered with blood, some bone or whatever it was I could see from upside down in my leg, completely off my rocker and screaming that I needed to go to Jed. They eventually cut the barbed wire off and drugged me so I would pass out and got brought to first aid, they told me afterwards it was the most fucked up thing they ever saw.

That was my experience. But I don't know if it's harmful per se.

Yes agreed with OBEler. "Your experience is my imagination." this could be interpreted many ways, and is an frustratingly unclear answer on my direct question. Do you mean I don't experience? Because I do, so if you mean that you're wrong. lol. Do you mean you imagine I experience? If this one, yes of course, but that does not mean I don't experience, because I do. is the word "my" here Gods 'my'? if that, than yes fine. If God stops imagining my/its experience it stops, of course. Is the word "my" here Leos 'my'? if that than the first 2 questions apply.

Yes I know that. But are you thinking only your perspective exists? And I'm not saying if only from your POV only your POV exists and you're all alone, because yes of course. But if other POV exists outside your own POV, in other words, do you think I'm having an experience, or not?

@Leo GuraI don't think you're clear on this point, so can you just tell me what your position is on this one: Do you think that only your mind, "Leo"-mind exists, and that I'm not experiencing? You think this message you are reading has not been written by anyone? Because that's what you're saying right, when you say only your mind exists

Could it be that you lost the distinction between your finite mind and the infinite mind? You had an insight in being the infinite mind, but perhaps made a mistake in now thinking your finite mind is the infinite mind and hence think that when your finite mind stops imagine other or multiple minds, it's the infinite mind that will stop imagining that? I'm very cautious about taking your word there. That in my mind I have imaged other minds, I don't see how that means that there are no 'other' minds. but now you're talking about Rupert Spira's mind, and seem to suggest his mind is real. And at the same time saying that only your mind exist, I don't know how to put this together or if I'm misunderstanding what you're saying

@electroBeam yes I read that, but that sounds like it could be a misunderstanding to me, or just misinterpretation on our part. Even Rupert Spira said that the absolute mind can dream/think/live many lives at once, he's not saying there the absolute is only dreaming up one dream. There only being one dream is solipsism, do I interpreted rightly then that Leo is subcribing to solipsism? Maybe the distinction between I the absolute and I as the individual expression got mixed up there? idk. If someone mahasamadi's, I won't stop experiencing right.

@Nahm thank you for your earlier suggestion. Was eloctrobeams worry not understood right? Because now I'm confused lol. As I already mentioned I once had the fear that if I stopped dreaming, I would stop the dream for everybody. Later I thought this was just a wrong understanding or interpretation when things got hot. If I merge into oneness, "your" dream doesn't stop right? Only from my pov other povs stop existing, but from another pov their pov remains intact no? My mothers experience won't stop when I go into oneness, right. Don't bullshit me now about semantics because of words such as 'me', 'yours' and 'my mother' please.

I once had a similar thing. I was tripping and became very frightened because I felt that if I stopped dreaming, I would stop everybodies dream, because I was the ultimate dreamer. It was very frightening as I didn't feel much in control and felt I could fuck it up for everybody. Quite traumatising such experiences have been for me

Well why isn't it the same thing? Yes the guy flying the UFO might also be channeled at the same time on earth by someone. You could channel God, but can also channel your cat if you wish (and if the cat wishes), and everything in between. Also many beings can switch between the physical dimension and the non-physical to answer your earlier question