Consilience

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  1. Posted

    I defintely agree. Humanity is reaching an inflection point where we’ll either collectively slingshot oursleves into a new era or plunge into a new dark age or possibly extinction.

    If we fuck up AI, fuck up genetic engineering, fuck up the economy, fuck up the planet beyond healing, and generally just fuck ourselves... we’re fucked haha. My point is A LOT could go wrong, but assuming the stars align, we could enter into a new “golden age” previously unrivaled. Exciting times to be alive! 

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    @Erlend K Well ignoring the fact that 1/4th of CO2 emissions is still a large amount, CO2 isn't the only greenhouse gas, and greenhouse gas emission isn't the only problem with the meat, diary, and agriculture industries. Deforestation (we're essentially killing off the lungs of planet Earth with this one), fishery exploitation, mass extinctions and loss of biodiversity, depletion of freshwater sources, animal cruelty, an insane obesity and health epidemic...

    You want to talk about fixing the environment? Start by fixing how we sustainable feed 7+ BILLION people on this planet, plus feed the animals used to feed the glutenous desires of meat and diary consumers. The meat and diary industry is one of the most wasteful, stage orange, industries humanity willfully and collectively ignores. Not only is it one of the (if not THE) leading source of environmental degradation, it produces an unfathomable amount of suffering so... You all can pick. 

    I suspect if we can make it into the next century, humanity will look back and simply ask, "Why?" lol 

  3. Posted · Edited by Consilience

    20 minutes ago, outlandish said:

    ^ I don't think it's true the meat and dairy are the main drivers of GHGs. But I totally agree that moving to a vegan (or much more vegan) diet is one of the best things you could do for the planet. As a side benefit, it's extremely healthy for your body and a plant-based diet will help you avoid dying (as Dr. whatshisname says), and you can feel better about not causing animals to suffer.

    You don't have to agree with the data, but it doesn't change what the data indicates. 

    Edit: You have to consider the greenhouse gas emission that would normally be recycled from plant mass (aka forests) that is now NOT being recycled out of the atmosphere due to deforestation, deforestation that is a direct result from the demand for meat and diary. Also if you look into the amount of methane livestock produce, its quite insane. So look into it imo and let the scientific research speak for itself, not some dude on the internet haha. 

    But yes, everything else from health and wellbeing, to living more ethically are other benefits as well. You gotta make sure and do your research when it comes to health though - veganism lacks certain nutrients an omnivore diet would cover such as B12, omega-3s, vitamin D3, etc. 

  5. Posted

    2 hours ago, Jack River said:

    Control and concentration are the same. Control is divided attention. Attention or awareness is not divided and not controlled one bit. That’s the awsome part about this. The self=controller, divided attention, concentration, psychologically time. All of that comes from thought. Thought is hella gnarly isn’t it. 

    Fuck I never realized this about concentration but I understand what you meant about techniques awhile back... something clicked when I read this thank yout pt. 2 dawg!

     

    The thing is though, if one were to rest in a state of awareness, isn’t this the same mechanism of concentration, except like... infinitely expanded? So an open awareness of all of the present moment would be total expansion of a state of concentration. 

     

    Concentration and awareness are both resting in the present moment. The difference is awareness is completely undivided.

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    It's more like the subconscious mind is an "uncognized" aspect of our direct experience; as in we have hidden, unconscious beliefs, concepts, and assumptions all tugging on our attention, all directing our experience of life in various ways. The Book of Not Knowing by Peter Ralston goes into a lot of detail with this "uncognized" mind and how through contemplation, we can uncover hidden emotional, social, and self-survival programs, beliefs, assumptions, etc. we unknowingly walk around with. 

    For example, let's take anger: often times people confuse certain circumstances as the cause of the emotion of anger, but if you look closely enough, you'll notice that external stimuli do not "cause" the emotions of anger - the circumstance and the emotions are quite distinct. We only assume that we "should be" angry at something, but WHY are we angry? Why do we equate external circumstance, X, with anger? So basically, start deeply contemplating your emotions, your self images, your beliefs and try to get at the root beliefs that you may be unconsiously walking around with. 

    This is a pretty brief overview, and probably poorly worded, but hopefully it helps. There's definitely A LOT to this subject, and much I personally am still trying to learn and contemplate. 

  10. Posted · Edited by Consilience

    I eat a vegan diet. As long as you’re supplementing with the appropriate nutrients, it’s completely healthy. 

    In terms of social situations, what matters more - fitting in socially or supporting the meat and diary industry? 

    I honestly dont understand how anyone who claims to be spiritual could support these industries if there’s the option not to but to each their own. Notice how easily the mind can justify any behavior though; it’s a lot easier to conform to social programming than to look at the truth of these industries.

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    34 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

    In part.  Enlightenment is God Awareness (1) discovering Himself, (2) realizing that He's aware of illusory Maya, and (3) liberating Himself from the illusion of Maya.  God is Awareness, but it's an Awareness that fully understands who He is.  Most people don't know who God is because their Awareness is stuck in Maya, which creates the phenomenon of Ego.  Maya is the illusions created by Thought and Experience that aren't actually real in reality. 

    So, Enlightenment is really the discovery of the true Self and seeing through the illusion of Ego.  And Ego is much broader than the Egoic self.  Ego is Awareness being trapped in the illusions of Thought and Experience.  How do I support these claims?  My own Enlightenment work and awakening experiences.  Of course I didn't always think of Enlightenment this way.  What I've presented here is a very Stage Coral view of metaphysics. 

    Stage Turquoise has a different metaphysics which is actually quite common for them I find.  Turquoise tends to think of Consciousness as including everything and thinks of everything as part of Consciousness.  Turquoise thinks of Consciousness as a grab-bag that includes everything.  Coral thinks of God Awareness as being aware of illusory Maya.  Really the issue of Maya comes to the fore at Stage Coral.  Turquoise doesn't really talk about Maya. 

    Turquoise and Coral think very differently as to what "everything is one means" as my Journal Vol. 7 (Turquoise) and Journal Vol. 8 (Coral) attest to.  Everything changed for me when I moved from Turquoise to Coral, including but not limited to my metaphysical understanding of non-duality.  Non-duality means something very different to a Green, Yellow, Turquoise, and Coral person. 

    When I hear Turquoise people talk about non-duality now it kinda makes my ears cringe.  When Turquoise people talk, it's not long before my mind starts screaming, Ego!  But Turquoise it not a selfish Ego, it's all the parts of Ego that aren't selfish but are still Ego -- like clinging to Experience.  Turquoise understands the illusion of Thought but they are blind to the illusion of Experience, which Coral fully understands. 

    Clinging to Experience is Egoic too not just clinging to Thought.  Turquoise doesn't really fully grok this.

    What do you mean that experience is illusory here? Why would pure, present moment experience not be consciousness? And why are you seperating your self from it? That distinction seems like a conceptual duality

  14. Posted · Edited by Consilience

    @ajasatya While I actually prefer vaping to smoking, Ive never felt that smoking takes away from its healing potential, at least in terms of psychological healing. Nor have I found smoking it to be anymore addictive than vaping..? Im not sure if you’re speaking from your own experience but Im fairly certain it would come down to the individual.

     

    In terms of OP, yeah cannabis can be used as a spiritual tool as long as it’s in moderation. Daily smoking or even frequent use really takes away from its potential, at least for me. Plus my body literally feels healthier when I dont frequently use. But... the potential is definitely there. Im not confident I would have ever stumbled upon consciousness work had it not been for my experiences with the plant.

     

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    On 10/9/2018 at 7:36 PM, waking_dreams said:

    "This is a dream" for potentiating lucid dreaming and now goes with hand gazing, too

    "Even if it kills me" for settling into Vipassana/strong determination sitting

    @Consilience Sunflower is a creative choice, never thought of using such a word for mantra. 

    Well I can't take any credit. Like I said, it was from the Vinay Gupta who claimed he was enlightened. It IS a really creative manta though - incredibly simple and if you have a visual mind, it brings about a very peaceful image of sunflowers haha. 

    I really like the attitude of "even if it kills me" haha. Strong determination sitting is the way to go when meditating B|

  16. Posted

    Go full circle with nihilism. It doesnt matter that it doesnt matter; really let thst one sink in dude. The next step is to realize happiness is not contigent upon meaning but instead is found by fully accepting what is and BEING. 

     

    The fact that your wrestling with nihilism means youre on the right track. But keep going further and realize that meaninglessness is just as meaningless as meaning and that happiness isn’t actually derived from it :) 

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    Sunflower 

     

    got the idea from a dude named Vinay Gupta, who claimed to be enlightened and it just sorta stuck haha. Now it’s transformed into being a very powerful way to quiet monkey mind and remind me that happiness is found in the present moment and quite literally nowhere else. 

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    This question reminds me of one of the topics Rupert Spira talks about a lot which is the "knowing" aspect of awareness. That awareness "knows" itself through being, almost like awarness is self aware, it knows it is aware by being aware of its own awareness. Here's a video where he discusses it: 

     

    "What is this Mind?" 

    This mind is simply more contents within consciousness, but our inner "knowing" has mistakenly identified a disctinction within this experience as itself. Rather than knowing all of consciousness to be the True Self, awareness has known a duality (the mind) to be itself. The mind also has self preservation qualities about it. That is to say, the mind operates in ways in which it propagates its own survival just as DNA does. In this regard, mind is acts in line with Darwinian Evolution just as the rest of the body does. So as the "knowing" of oneself to be the mind continues, so too does the power of the minds ability to hold that light on knowing onto the mind. Ultimately the mind seems to be a mechanism of survival, acting in ways to manipulate the light of knowing, as Rupert discusses, to shine on it and only it. I'm also not really differentiating mind and ego here, so I would say mind = ego in this context.

     

    Who is this "you" that the Mind is deceiving and distracting?

    The inner awareness that permeates all conscious experience. But this awareness has an intelligence about it, or seems to. This awareness seems to have not only awareness of any conscious experience, but also self awareness. Awareness OF the awareness, or KNOWING of awareness. And to reiterate, this knowing is what the mind hijacks.  

  21. Posted

    11 minutes ago, Jack River said:

    DThat’s very groveable dude. I think people feel they need books because of conditioning, when it’s all here in ourselves to be understood. But yeah understanding limitation is important. Thanks for your reply. 

    Thank you for asking questions. Overall I agree though- it’s all found within and no books are needed :) 

  23. Posted

    21 minutes ago, Jack River said:

    Why not just understand self/thought, or Learn about the concepts we already are caught in? Does one concept cancel out another? Or is understanding the concept maker/making work to end thise patterns of belief? 

    Because sometimes people are so wrapped up in concept land, they’re not in a position to understand self/thought or go metta enough to see the concepts they’re wrapped up in. 

     

    Does one concept cancel out another? Of course not. Concepts do not cancel anything nor do they act at all. They point awareness and mind in various directions.

     

    Is understanding the concept maker/making work to end these patterns of beliefs? From my experience, YES. The only reason I was ever sent down this path was through CONCEPTUAL understanding of what concepts actually are. 

     

    Concepts actually point towards their own nature; once the conceptual understanding of concepts has set in, one may find value in being. Prior to that understanding, one might also believe spirituality, being, truth are all beliefs when in fact, the opposite is what is required.

     

    You can use concepts to leverage yourself out of concept land. And then the only thing left is to BE. 

  25. Posted

    @Violinpracticerdude

    have you considered the possibility that there is no “you” experiencing? If no, id contemplate this heavily.

    You should also read “The Book of Not Knowing” by Peter Ralston dude. I feel like it’s a perfect book to introduce spiritual concepts for the rational mind and takes a very pragmatic approach towards what REAL spirituality is getting at. At the very least it’ll give you a lot to think about.