Consilience

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    @K VIL2 @FlyingLotus This is one of my favorite stories. It was definitely in one of Leo’s videos but I too don't remember which one. However, it’s also in Peter Ralston’s “Book of Not Knowing,” which is where I learned about it first. 

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    In ancient China a terrible and ferocious warlord was ransacking the country side.

    Coming upon a Zen monastery his army began killing and pillaging.

    When the warlord entered the inner courtyard he found the abbot of the monastery sitting in a chair. 

    The abbot said firmly, “Get out of my monastery.”

    The powerful warlord walked up to the abbot, sword in hand and said, “You don’t understand. I could kill you without blinking an eye.”

    The abbot replied, “No, you don’t understand. I could die without blinking an eye.”

    After this, the warlord became a devotee of the abbot. 

    ...

    Fucking savage ??

  4. Posted

    24 minutes ago, BipolarGrowth said:

    The simple fact is that I cannot stop trying to progress in some way. It is my very nature and yours as well. I’ve just accessed what feels like faster progress, but who knows? Maybe it isn’t.  

    Shinzen Young teaches that after a certain threshold in one’s practice, there tends to be an exponential take off. It seems like you’ve hit this threshold. 

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    13 hours ago, Loba said:

    Personally I find masculine energy to be dishonest, destructive to the feminine, and not even remotely at the same level as feminine energy by any and every margin. 
    Truthfully, if a woman wants to be loved, completely, forever... and not have to deal with the dating game, the back and forth that comes with it, the nonsense that males put women through, this is the solution: become as beautiful as you can, be yourself, your kindest, truest self and when he starts to fall in love, ghost him. 
    Don't say a word; if you run into them meeting , don't even look at them.  Act like you never met them.  No eye contact.
    Make sure beforehand to get really close to their heart - the more authentic you are, which is easier when it is a situation where you have an idea of the outcome already - and then leave.  Otherwise it won't sting - the more it stings, the less pushback you put into everything up until the point of peacing out - that'll do it.  You want to be great in every way, as many ways as you can be - no drama, nothing - then do it.

    There you go.  You have an inferior form of love; that person, no matter who they are with will pine for you - if they don't, keep trying until you find one that does.  This is a humanly form of love with something as invasive as a bark beetle, so don't feel too bad.  Essentially, that's all anyone is trying to get to with all this dating thing is to find lasting love - because men really only care about your shell, so having a lasting, fixed image to pine over is more effective than dating someone for years, then finding out you're flawed, they're flawed, you're both ugly, you hate each other, ect, ect, ect.

    Really.  Sounds counterintuitive, but if women broke men a lot more often there would be more love in the world for women.  And you don't have to be a nag, or insane or cruel or whatever, just... leave... that is literally what makes men fall in love.  I don't know why that is the case, but it is.  Because men love more rarely than women do usually, you'll have the heart for at least a year, most likely more.  Having the love and someone's heart, there is a lot of good energy that can come from this that is very beneficial.

    You know how there are pick up artists and stuff?  There needs to be more women who know the dynamic behind what love can do for a woman - you don't need the person there for it; it can be a hindrance - women should develop more systems for this.  Build ourselves up to the very best, and then just walk the fuck away.  I'll bet a girl could get really good at it, and learn how to be her best self in such a way, and the right moment to leave, just like with pick-up artists, that she could claim a heart until it quits beating for it's owner.

    The comment on sadism up there got me thinking.  It would fix my heart, if I could keep another in the same manner that mine was damaged.  I read comments like this on here by men and I realize that it isn't that this forum is a bad representation of the opposite gender, but so many men really are just... not really worth much.

    It's like... you have cows and pigs and then you have... fish... you know?  The cow and the pig feel more, understand more, while the fish is something that doesn't to the same degree.  It's muted.... and I mean, yeah sure a bottom feeder is good at filtering out the garbage in the water, but if you're going in as your best you then you won't have to worry about that.

    I don't plan to try this, like, go out of my way to waste my time on it - but if the situation arises I will take it.

    What the fuck ? 

  6. Posted

    1 hour ago, Raptorsin7 said:

    This is what I'm struggling with.

    When I practice I am starting to just accept and sink into what is, and I notice the tendency to get distracted by thoughts. But it still feels like I'm waiting for something to happen.

    It seems like this is how people get stuck seeking for years. This is it. But its also not it, because its still unsatisfying.

    It seems like unless I'm practicing with psychidelics I just get stuck being present with these tense/dense feelings of the body. Only on psychs do I start to go deeper and let go/transform some of the stuck feelings.

    I'm definitely motivated/moved by negative feelings in the body but it's taking a long time to uproot them.

    I've listened to numerous pointers by different teachers, and I'd say I'm aware of/from the stillness for months now, but I still haven't let go of these dense feelings like I can do sometimes on psychs.

    How long are you practicing and how many minutes are you practicing per day? I assume by practice it’s some form of meditation.

  7. Posted

    The biggest thing that’s changed in my experience is that there is a seeking without seeking taking place. A recognition that where I am is perfect, is the absolute, yet an understanding that how this perfection shapes the rest of my life is an ever unfolding, ever deepening journey. 

    Going meta on what already is has infinite degrees, yet all degrees are known to be held in perfect equilibrium. The paradox of the path. Seeking without seeking. ?‍♂️

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    First, super interesting report. Thank you for sharing.

    13 minutes ago, BipolarGrowth said:

    Is the special desirable aspect of petting a soft dog on its face any different from the desirable formless aspects of typical jhanic sensations? In this way, you are not just changing nothingness and space but also all other sensate dimensions which could be investigated. 

    I would say yes. Meditation ultimately starts "changing" the way sensations appear across different phenomenological "dimensions." This would be due to a mind that's cultivated powerful levels of mindfulness (concentration + sensory clarity + equanimity) which is a trainable, achievable skill revealing an underlying equilibrium across all perceptions and states of consciousness. 

    A follow up question would be, if this never ended would that be an issue? 

  11. Posted

    Biggest piece of advice I could give is immediately schedule your next retreat after completing the first. Doesn't have to be with the same organization, teacher, or even lineage. Maybe do a Zen Sesshin next, for example. Just a silent meditation retreat of some kind. I'd highly recommend doing at least 1 retreat per year. If you're 22 now and did this until 32, your entire life would be radically transformed by 32. And you'd still have an entire lifetime to live. 

  12. Posted

    By recognizing you’re already aligned with the will of God. There is no individual will to align with God’s - that would imply you’re somehow going against the intelligence of the Universe. You are not. The idea that you could exert a will in contrast with the will of the whole is a position steeped in illusion, fantasy, and projection.

    What we can do, however, is recognize that this ‘Will of God’ is already and has always and will always be what is happening at deeper and deeper levels. All of these stories about personal will are not needed to behave, move, speak, and act in the world.

    Letting go does not mean surrender the ego’s will, or somehow killing the ego until “there’s nothing left.” There’s already nothing there. Letting go means recognizing the underlying reality that you can’t do anything, there was never a choice in the matter. All blame, guilt, shame, frustration, envy, jealousy, pride, arrogance, etc is based on this false premise of “personal will.” So letting go simply means recognizing there is nothing to change because the will of God is already manifesting perfectly, completely, and wholly. Even in the grips  of delusion and sense of objectified consciousness, even that is God’s will. 

    Practically, walking meditation while placing attention on the fact that you aren’t doing the moving is a powerful way to begin seeing this clearly. Or speaking while recognizing the words are flowing without your having to think of the words beforehand, they simply flow, you don’t control anything. The sharper our attention can pierce into the subtly of experience, the more deeply we see all desire and intention to act is driven out of a spontaneous emergence of perceptive experience, leaving 0 room to exert control or manipulation.

    Yet when entranced by the illusion of control or manipulation, or even the idea that you could stop controlling or manipulating, all you do is control and manipulate. ;) 

  14. Posted

    1 hour ago, Jacob Morres said:

    @Consilience

    Idk tbh I think it could be

    I dont agree with taking your anger out onto people, and I would never recommend it

    But in the past when I did feel angry at others and I applied love to myself, I have actually been left with the desire to hurt others (I didn't go through with it, because I was conscious enough). I think if he continues to apply self-love he will grow and develop but at the exact stage he is at, that IS the self-love move. With time and more development it will weed itself out. But still I'd encourage and strongly recommend other more conscious ways of coping 

    Idk. Also self-love I don't think, is corresponded to being conscious of others inherently. I think self-love (lowercase) might be a "selfish" act. But sometimes it can show up as what is considered as unselfish as well 

    Just contemplating self-love 

    Open-minded to being delusion lol 

    Intentionally spreading your suffering to others is not an act of self love. Fully acknowledging, feeling, accepting, processing and letting go of the pain another caused you would be. Creating a boundary and enforcing that boundary would be an act of self love. Forgiving another would also be an act of self love. Propagating suffering is not. It’s actually incredibly simple, deceptively simple. Hence why the ego loves to over think this, bullshit itself, and justify these types of immature, hurtful responses. 

  15. Posted

    4 hours ago, StarStruck said:

    What I did I did out of self-love and healthy egoism.

    Self deception 101. Healthy egoism would be willing to feel your emotions without dissociation or the need to lash out. Hurting another person because you didnt get what you want is literally childish. Self love would recognize the anger as hurt, and the hurt as a valid human emotion to fully feel. Nothing about hurting a girl who hurt you is healthy or in alignment with self love. Stop bullshitting yourself and take responsibility. If you don’t, you’ll never become the man needed to be with a high quality woman. 

  16. Posted

    7 hours ago, Moksha said:

    If you contemplate and practice it, beyond simply reading it, your mind will be illuminated. For me, the value was less about Self-realization, and more about Self-integration.

    Completely agree with this analysis. Techniques such as vipassana, do nothing, or self inquiry I have found to be more helpful for "awakening" but a shamatha practice has and continues to be great for integrating, unifying, harmonizing, and grounding these insights into lived experience.

  17. Posted · Edited by Consilience

    11 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

    Agree. And a very negative vision of life, like a penance to be avoided. it is a religion that has the ultimate goal of ceasing to be reborn, that says it all

    This is such a misunderstanding... Lol. You’d probably learn a lot opening yourself up to the teachings of the Buddha. It’s actually a ridiculously pragmatic vision of life that involves an insane level of consciousness when one follows the 8 fold path, or at least the meditation part. Usually people don’t understand why these teachings are so powerful until they deeply suffer; we are all very fortunate to live in a time of so much comfort and ease - it gives a false perception of just how bad it can really get and the extend to which our lives and happiness are built on a fragile house of cards. 

    The cessation of rebirth would be the equivalent of completely realizing death and birth are imaginary, using Leo language. 

  18. Posted

    2 hours ago, Someone here said:

    Isn't it oversimplification and black and white to say that all of life is suffering and that desire is the root of suffering? Isn't that a bit general and naive assumptions? 

    Desire is not the root of all suffering, that’s not really an accurate representation of the 2nd noble truth, at least as far as I understand them. Tanha is the root, which is more accurately defined as “craving” rather than “desire.” Desire can exist without craving. The root of craving could be traced back to attachment. 

    And it’s not necessarily “all life” is suffering. More so that life necessarily involves suffering. But see the extent to which suffering pervades life is vastly underestimated and misunderstood, so even this truth has many, MANY, layers of increasing depth and nuance. 

    From an intellectual pov, yes all of this seems quite simplistic and black and white. Not very useful or important. 

  20. Posted

    6 minutes ago, Bando said:

    Theres a difference between conceptualy understanding meaningless sex won't make you fulfilled but its another thing to go through the act of having "meaningless sex" and then seeking out a more high quality experience. Most of the guys on this subform who make these pua threads are at the beginning stages of learning how to attract women in their life. Its irresponsible to tell them "Meaningless sex wont make you happy" when they cant even verify that out for themselves. Thats like a millionaire telling somebody whose poor, "Don't worry man having money doesn't make you a happier person."

    Theres nothing profound in this thread, its common sense pickup is only attraction theory and you cannot build a healthy relationship out of attraction. Once your in a good place you then can focus on relationship building skills. 

    You guys also have the wrong perception of pick up its does not equal "approach random girls and harass them", thats the type of vibe I get from you ladies when you speak on it. Its about being able to express your desire in an authentic, attractive way to woman you meet anywhere whether in your social circle, online or at a bar. Theres so much more to it then just cold approaching girls and you would know this if you were a guy that was actively dating women.

    Pick up is only the beginning stages a man has to go through to develop the abundance mindset needed so that if a woman isn't a good match for him he can leave and find better. Women don't even understand how many options they have when it comes to dating they think the same applies to most men, when that cannot be further from the truth. As a young guy even if your confident your options will pale in comparison unless you learn what attracts women and force yourself to take action to gain experiences.

    I don't care how self developed you are if you don't believe you can attract the right people in your life you'll never develop the right boundaries needed to have a successful relationship. You must go through the experience of dating and sleeping with multiple women to understand this. Its foolish to bank on the probability that the first woman you date is going to be the right one for you. 

    What you find out as a young guy that has no experience dealing with woman is that its pretty difficult to attract women you want in your life thus some men will turn to pick up and those are the lucky ones. The rest just live a live of quiet desperation believing there's nothing they can do and settle for toxic relationships because they cant do better.

    To the men who are in the pick up stage of their life, embrace it and go through it don't let the other members on this subforum gaslight you into believing its not necessary to develop if done correctly it will be one of the best experiences in your life that will positively shape your character.

     

    /thread

    Thank you sir, this is pretty much the perfect response. 

  22. Posted · Edited by Consilience

    2 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

    Interesting that when men are given tools to make themselves more attractive to girls, girls get angry about it while wanting that guy pickup creates.

    Meanwhile men love women who try to make themselves more attractive.

    Lmao. So happy I didnt follow the female advice in this thread and instead started learning and implementing the principles of pickup. Granted, Ive been very selective about what teachers to learn from. Id argue the pickup material I consume is much higher consciousness than most. I suspect the pickup the females here are bashing is the sleazier kind which is what is most common. 

    Pickup done well is a spiritual practice. The vulnerability, authenticity, and fearlessness required to approach a stranger is amazing. When two strangers meet and there’s sexual chemistry involved, it’s truly just the universe sorting itself out; when the man can rest in complete surrender and ease within this sorting out process, that is a powerful man.

     

  23. Posted · Edited by Consilience

    It is a bit of over complication however it was an invaluable investment to learn the system. All the complicated step involves is making subtle distinctions about the various dynamics of mind involved with constructing your experience during meditation so yes complicated, but well worth the investment to learn.

    I spent a year really devoted to the techniques in this book, it still is paying off today even though I dont strictly practice it anymore. Combing that system with Shinzen’s Unified Mindfulness system is like a perfect cocktail for awakening via meditation but start with TMI.

    Once you've really gotten a handle of TMI, stages 7-10 territory, reading Rob Burbea’s seeing that frees and working through Rob’s jhana retreat on dharma seed is also a great next step in addition to Shinzen’s stuff.

    Wishing you well on your journey. Thank you for putting in the work. ?

  24. Posted

    @Emerald Well we can agree to disagree. Ive had wonderful results doing calibrated cold approaches where sexual intent was established within the first few seconds. Wonderful in terms of the receptivity of the women involved. There are ways to be non-creepy, calibrated, and non-manipulative where both parties feel better at the end whether the exchange ends in a number exchange or not. So I find it interesting you think its boring if a guy approaches you with sexual intent; It sounds like this is your personal preference or the guys that have approached you havent done it well.

    Also there’s a very high percentage of successful relationships that start via online dating which is of course sexual from the beginning.

    Perhaps your advice would work for women but guaranteed it wont work for men. And let me reemphasize, if a man is sexually interested in a woman and is hiding those feelings behind friendship, this is about as incongruent with masculine energy as you can get. If a man is pretending to only be interested as friends, this is literally lying to the woman with a hidden agenda that they’ll somehow convince her to have sex with him if only he warms her up after enough time. Not only is this NOT how women operate in the real world, this is male manipulation at its finest.  This is why Im suggesting friendship isnt an option. And so as a guy, I would warn women to screen out these types of men given that I know what the headspace of a guy willing to do that is because I used to be that guy. 

    I 100% agree that women need time and space to develop feelings. A lot of time and space at times. However, to think this must happen within the context of a platonic relationship is just more space for manipulation and hidden agendas, mainly on the end of the guy. A high value male simply would assume the girl isnt interested and because they are high value, they’d just move on. All Im saying is be careful with this mindset. If you found the right guy, I doubt you’d need a couple of months pretending to be friends.

    Overall great list though. I would simply suggest continue to contemplate and consider this specific point. Or not. 

  25. Posted

    4 hours ago, Vignan said:

    I agree with you. I personally never microdosed before. All I know about it is not a psychedelics at that dose. It's more like a creative and performance enhancer like a nootropic. 

    After my breakthrough the only thing that's in my mind was how to attain the highest levels of consciousness while being sober. 

    As one deepens in their meditation practice, even a microdose can start facilitating ego death like states where oneness is undeniable. Don't underestimate the power and utility of a microdose, especially with bridging and integrating these profoundly altered psychedelic states with the mundane, sober state.