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  1. Posted · Edited by winterknight

    1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

    You are wrong.

    You have simply not awoken to what God or Love are.

    Emptiness is, ironically, just one facet of a much deeper thing which you have yet to access. You have not accessed it because self-inquiry is not a very effective tool to get there. And these various Buddhist and Neo-advaitan approaches which are popular today are fundamentally dogmatic and shallow. The realization of Emptiness and No-self is just the beginning of this work, which you have mistaken for the end.

    If you are not conscious that you are God and that you are imagining all of physical reality, your awakening is skin deep. And if you are not conscious that Truth and Love are identical, again, your awakening is skin deep.

    Everything I say here on this matter I have personally verified and become directly conscious of. And so have others before me.

    I have told you guys many times, you don't understand how deep this goes.

    If you do not want to follow my teachings to God and Love, then this is not the right place for you. This is not something I will compromise on. There is enough ignorance around here as it is to have to deal with supposedly awake people who deny God and Love. You can fool yourself, but you ain't foolin me.

    God's eye is watching you.

    You are being guided here to something far deeper than you yet understand. If you doubt that, by all means, do your own thing or follow some other teacher.

    I appreciate what you've done in allowing me to reach out to people here. For that, I thank you.

    That said, buddy, you are profoundly deluded. You have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not talking about emptiness and no-self. I'm talking about something which destroys the notion of all 'degrees' or 'facets' or 'awakening to' things. This is the only freedom. The rest is dream garbage.

    This is the sole and only realization. It is not even that. It is not merely intellectual neo-advaita stuff. It is the direct truth. 

    You are in the grips of massive narcissistic, egotistical self-deception fueled by delusions of grandeur from psychedelics and from being worshipped unconditionally on this community. It's actually quite a problem. It is going to lead you years or perhaps lifetimes off the true path if you don't take care of it.

    If you ever want to talk about it, reach out and I will help you without judgment or a grudge.

    I'm going to take this cue to leave this community and thread, which I'd been contemplating for a while anyway.

    If anyone wants to reach me -- come to my website. Adios.

  3. Posted

    2 hours ago, tedens said:

    Aren't You enlightened.?

    Only at one level of understanding. At a deeper level, there is no enlightenment. But a seeker must act as if there is enlightenment. 

    1 hour ago, Jkris said:

    @winterknight

    The absolute is always unchanging and available in the three states.

    In waking and dream objects are there hence the confusions.

    But in deep sleep there are no objects but why unable to recognize it - suchness in deep sleep ?

    ???

    The traditional answer is that in deep sleep ignorance still remains, only there is no awareness of objects. Objects are not the cause of confusion — ignorance is.

  4. Posted · Edited by winterknight

    56 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    Your logic here is so warped I don't even know where to begin.

    Why is it that self-inquiry or meditation cannot do the simplest thing like teach you to play the violin?

    Do you see how absurd your logic is?

    You’re not comprehending my argument. I’m saying that what therapy does is relevantly similar to building a skill like playing a violin. The repertoire of social-psychological patterns cannot be magicked into existence by anything other than sustained social interaction in a crucible of mutual reflection.

    56 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    It would be wise of you to actually watch my videos and to be on this forum to learn and not just teach, because your awakening and understanding of what reality is, is still surface level.

    You are not conscious yet of God or Love, and many other important facets of the Absolute. Nor have you had a psychedelic breakthrough, given the arguments you make.

    You are demonstrating precisely the dangers of psychedelics, which is to take the by-definition psychotic mental agitations that result to be Truth. 

    There is no such thing as existential realizations of God or Love or ‘facets of the Absolute.’ These are all gibberish dream ideas.

    What’s happening is that you are laboring under delusions that your consistent and continuous use of psychedelics are reinforcing.

    It’s precisely why the ancient traditions were cautious about the use of these substances.

    If you don’t understand why it is that there is no God, no Love, and indeed no such thing as realization or enlightenment, you have much farther to go.

    You might want to start by stopping the psychedelics and entering analysis for a year and seeing what happens.

  6. Posted · Edited by winterknight

    4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    What you call objective reality is nothing but a chemical state.

    A few changes in chemicals and you would not know what a violin is.

    "Objective reality" is the dream.

    1) Time

    2) Cost

    3) Why would I go through a middleman who doesn't even know he is God, when I can commune directly with God? There is nothing a therapist will tell me that God won't.

    You might as well be telling me to go to Catholic confessional.

    If objective reality is but a chemical state, then why is it that the amazing ultimate psychedelic teacher by which you know the entire universe and the workings of God can’t do the simplest little thing like teach you to play the violin? You can’t have it both ways, calling objective reality a nothing and also claiming that psychedelics are the best way to liberate the mind emotionally (a claim about the objective), “but don’t hold me to any standards of proof or demonstration because there is no objective world.” 

    And if objective reality is a dream, then there are no possible truths about it, then certainly all the talk about knowing how God works is nothing more than incoherent dream words... that certainly must follow, since language is part of the dream.

    As far as why you would do analysis, the answer is obviously I’m suggesting you have zero idea what analysis will do, either theoretically or practically, and therefore no basis of comparison with psychedelics, and yet you seem willing to declaim quite liberally about them... 

    So if you want to do that, why not get the experience and see for yourself?

    3 hours ago, peanutspathtotruth said:

    @mandyjw

    @winterknight It seems to me just because you have a certain realization about reality you locked yourself into some opinions about the path. What you're saying sounds highly biased and from what I've read there's not even a bit of open mindedness. Could you ever accept that you might be wrong about something? Because when it comes to psychedelics, you clearly haven't gone that far, not even as far as I have and I consider myself at the beginning of my journey. You should look into maps.org to see even the scientifically acknowledged power of those substances. Therapists work with them because they clear things a therapist needs years to do if he can manage at all. It's all publicly available, you should inform yourself with the latest discoveries.

    I still will try out the therapy, because I think it might be very helpful. This is not a black white discussion, but you seem to have something in you strongly trying to downplay psychedelics. Please don't forget to be humble and open minded, no matter your degree of realization.

    If you talk to the top psychedelics researchers in the world, none of them would put forth the absurd position that psychedelics are a total replacement for therapy. It’s truly a dumb suggestion.

  7. Posted

    4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    LOL

    You know not what you speak.

    When psycho-analysis allows you to contact machine elves and communicate with them through multiple dimensions of  symbolism and telepathy, or to get direct downloads from the mind of God, or to pull demonic spirits out of a patient's body, then let's talk. Playing violins is kindergarten stuff.

    You do not understand how psychedelics work.

    You do not even know what symbols truly are until you do some heavy tripping.

    To say that psychedelics are a "just a chemical" is a silly as saying that therapy is just a chemical. Everything is chemicals by that logic, including all symbols and your therapist. That therapist is just a soup of chemicals. This sort of selective, reductionist logic is a telltale sign of self-bias.

    I never said therapy doesn't work. Of course it works. But psychedelics work 1000x faster.

    No, not everything is a chemical by that logic. 

    Basically you are importing your dream-like psychedelic “insights” into objective reality., taking them as true in a philosophically naive way. I’ve talked to entities via psychedelics too. But I don’t confuse that with truths in consensus reality. As you admit, you can talk to machine elves but can’t play the violin, which is such child’s play that you can’t do it. 

     That should tell you something about the limitations of machine elves.

    Why not go get a year of 4x/week psychoanalysis from a top-notch analyst and come back and talk about how trivial it was compared to tripping?

  9. Posted

    7 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

    Of course that’s what it would look like. Pre/Trans fallacy.

    Grounding oneself to a literal, rational, objectivist framework will limit themself to that framework. One will ask for proof at the level of this framework. That is like a scientist asking for proof of the immaterial through material scientific evidence. One must transcend that level.

    You can be as proof-less as you want as long as you’re talking about pure subjectivity. As soon as you start talking about how some things change other things, you’re making claims about the material, one way or the other. And if those claims cannot be demonstrated in any way, that’s self-deception.

  10. Posted

    5 minutes ago, Ero said:

    How do you verify that something is a self-deception or that it is not? 

    Well, there’s never a perfect way, but one measure is, like I said, objectively observable results. The claims that people are making here are not just of internal states but of grand changes that ought to be externally observable.

    Psychedelics can no doubt be beneficial and powerful... but the sort of unbridled adoration of them, the belief that they’re a replacement for all other emotional and spiritual work, makes no theoretical sense and has no evidence for it.

  11. Posted

    42 minutes ago, Beginner Mind said:

    @winterknight Do you think that a real, embodied realization of non-doership is sufficient for enlightenment?  There was a spiritual teacher named Ramesh Balsekar who made this claim.  For him, enlightenment is simply the end of suffering, and the end of suffering is the realization that you are not the doer.

    I think you asked and I answered this above, but in a nutshell if the realization is merely verbal it’s not enough. If the realization is more than merely verbal, then sure, but by the same token such a realization goes beyond all concepts, including non-doership.

  12. Posted · Edited by winterknight

    20 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

    You are missing a lot of depth and breadth of psychedelics. It hasn’t been revealed to you, yet that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You are unaware that you are unaware of facets of psychedelics. 

    Imagine being every master violinist that has ever lived and is currently living. How could any individual violinist be a better teacher than this universal master violinist of all teachers? This universal master violinist would be by far the best teacher to teach itself how to play the violin. And this is a limited version that a human mind may be able to imagine. It gets even more radical . . .  Just because you can’t imagine this, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. It means it hasn’t been revealed to you through direct experience. As such, a mind may have a contracted state in which it is unaware of what it is unaware of. Yet a few of us are aware of what I am pointing to. And more will become aware as time goes on. This is much more radical than you realize.

    Great, so use a psychedelic and learn a language instantly that you didn’t know before using this universal teacher. There’s a whole lot of intense self-deception about psychedelics here, that’s what I see.

  13. Posted

    1 hour ago, Monkey-man said:

    If you don't mind to answer metaphysical questions from your perspective?

    1. Is consciousness and being two same thing, two sides of the same coin, or are they different.

    2. What is God? Is God = Being?

    3. What is devil? Does it exist in reality?

    4. What is faith and how to get it? You mentioned faith in one of your youtube videos

    5. What is will or will-power? And how to get it? in other words, how to be in total control of yourself, of own behaviour.

    Thanks

    1 - that depends on your definitions and context. Ultimately truth is beyond all words and concepts

    2 - again a matter of definitions. Traditionally in Vedanta God is the creator,  but Self is beyond even that manifest creator.

    3 - if a creator God exists, then yes the devil could be said to exist too. But in fact both are ultimately illusions. Or we could say the devil exists as ignorance. But ignorance itself doesn’t ultimately exist, even though as a seeker you must act as if it does

    4 - spiritual reading and the company of the wise. Becoming more emotionally honest about what you want and feel

    5 - this is not a good or possible goal. Be honest about what you want, not to control yourself

  14. Posted

    15 hours ago, passerby said:

    @winterknight Do you think that one of psychedelics main usefulness is in complete beginners? because myself and my 'spiritual sidekick' (best friend) when we both decided to start meditating, we didn't really benefit from it at all for like 6 months, then one day, we both took some shrooms, and boom its like it all just clicked and now we are so much farther then where we were before. (its like we received out Personalized meditation guidance downloaded directly into our brains. better than listening to all the teachers in the world)

     

    Like some people say, psychedelics can give you the first glimpse of the direction you need to go, then you can go there yourself, and maybe take more glimpses when you need them?

    Yes I think this is often the case. 

  16. Posted

    3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    Talk therapy can be helpful but it is notoriously inefficient at resolving deep psychological issues. There have been studies done on this. People go to therapy for years and show only mild improvements. The studies and the anecdotal evidence backing up the effectiveness of psychedelics is simply too voluminous ignore.

    The trick with tripping is that it can be done in very different ways. Some ways are frivolous. And most people who do psychedelics are not serious, they are dicking around. I've read so many idiotic trip reports that it amazes me how often people misuse psychedelics.

    If psychedelics were widely available and people where taught to properly use them, I'd guess that 50% of therapists would be out of a job.

    There are aspects of your psyche which can be accessed on psychedelics which you will never access sober or with a therapist. And I don't believe there is anything a therapist can help you access which a psychedelic cannot.

    Maybe you've done psychedelics but it does not seem like you've realized their full potential yet. Perhaps because you were already fairly pure before taking them. Or simply because you have some sort of natural tolerance to them (as some people do).

    I'm not really saying anything bad about therapy. It think it's a good method for some. But I just don't see how it can match the power of psychedelics. Verbal analysis of psychological issues is simply very indirect. It's the same problem as trying to verbally talk someone into awakening. It's highly inefficient.

    What kind of psychotherapy allows someone to play the violin without practice????

    Let me put it this way: if I had a daughter who was raped, I would not a trust a psychotherapist to heal her trauma. I would send her to do some psychedelics.

    My ex-girlfriend was an alcoholic and had panic attacks because she was sexually abused in her teenage years. She went to therapy for years. She was still extremely dysfunctional to the point where I could no longer be in relationship with her. She could not handle honesty at all and she was extremely insecure. If she went to therapy for another 5 years, I doubt it would solve her issues.

    There is a reason why AA was founded on LSD. AA minus the LSD is much less effective.

    Therapy isn’t about talking someone into something. That’s a misconception  

    There’s nothing magical about therapy, but actually the overwhelming evidence of 100+ years of talk therapy shows that in fact therapy does work. Nothing even remotely close to the weight of that evidence exists for psychedelics sans therapy.

    And therapy is a relational-symbolic activity, that teaches how to be in the world, a skill that, like playing the violin, cannot be had through a drug, no matter how much one may wish it were so.

    That said, of course not all therapy “works” for everyone. Therapists vary in competence. Patient match matters. Patient condition matters. There’s a reason I recommend analysis and not just therapy in general. Even the very idea of “solving” problems is itself a simplistic way of looking at things. 

    The complicating factors go on and on. But the mind is far, far more complex, not less complex, than is usually imagined. Symbolic questions cannot be ultimately solved through chemical means.

    That’s what’s termed in the philosophy business a category mistake.

    2 hours ago, Nexeternity said:

    @winterknight @Leo Gura   

    Hey guys,  I feel the need to contribute to this conversation.

    I did three years of Freudian psychoanalysis (In Buenos Aires its very normal here) and while I saw many of the roots and causes of my problems there wasnt much room for deep transformation.  I felt it helped me live with my neurosis instead of freeing me of it.  I also felt an old school feel where the therapist would dogmatically hand down to me certain rigid ways of being to better "fit in" with society.  It was done innocently and with the best of intentions but there was a lot of truth and authenticity lost in translation.  The relationship is very vertical, they are in the position of power and have the knowledge and you are a patient being helped.

    Since then I have done Jungian therapy with visualizations and meditations which I felt were much more helpful and faster, more effective.  I am also doing an alternative therapy where you breathe together in meditation as part of the session and you feel the things you have been talking about as sensations in the body that can be seen with much more clarity than if you only talked.   Its really much better.

    And yes, I second what Leo says about the psychedelic trips being more effective.   The purification that happens, the literal "seeing" of your normally hidden beliefs, the authentic you that comes foward on the trips and shows you what you are really made of existentially.  If used properly growth can occur so much quicker than in psychotherapy.

    Right now I am combining the best of both worlds.  I am doing sessions using Yopo with a shaman, I trip and I get to talk about things with this dude I really resonate with.

    Well good for you, but your conclusions don’t really follow from your experience. You went for three years. You wouldn’t have done that if you hadn’t been getting something out of it. We’d have to really see who you were before and after to judge.

    Not to mention that orthodox Freudian psychoanalysis is only one type of analysis.

    And you ended up someone still intensely interested in self-discovery and self-improvement. Sounds like not a bad outcome. 

  17. Posted

    2 minutes ago, AlldayLoop said:

    I used to follow Mooji very regularly, but have since seen a limitation with his teachings. Unlike you, he never teaches about the usefulness of therapy or reading books.

    Are you a critic of this over-simplistic style of teaching? It does help people get started on the path, but I just can’t help but feel bad for people who just stay with that forever. 

    It can indeed be somewhat simplistic, although I think his feel for nonduality itself is among the best of that style of teacher. 

  18. Posted

    2 hours ago, mandyjw said:

    Are you sure that the conflicted motivation isn't just a sign of not being ready? I'm not sure any method would work if you weren't really passionate about doing it. I believe the desire to do it is key, at least is was for me. 

    Thank you. My experience was a bizarre combination of a lot of those things. I had no idea what was happening at the time, and am still working to understand it. I feel the need to pay it forward. 

    Well, desire is always king. You’re right that it’s a sign of not being ready. But the point is that often people aren’t internally ready but then blame it on lack of access, when the real issue is their own internal conflict. 

  20. Posted · Edited by winterknight

    17 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

    I'm really embarrassed to admit this but I think it's important. Someone on this forum acted as a nondual therapist for me in the journal section a few months ago. I started channeling my past stuff and doing shadow work, it got really messy. I could see exactly how I had as God written the story of life, and how every traumatic experience I went through was an opening of some kind. I could see how perfectly beautifully it all was designed and orchestrated. I had an awakening, third eye opening, mystical experiences, heart chakra burst open, bliss states for days on end. I had to hide the journal since because it was ridiculously personal. 

    I say this because maybe the same thing can work for others. Maybe what happened was a unique situation, and it would be dangerous or useless to try to recreate it, I'm not sure. Psychotherapy and psychedelics are great but practically they are only available to very few. Psychotherapists don't lead you into nondual understanding with pointers. Psychedelics aren't a structured way to do shadow work.  Both have their own drawbacks, and there are a lot of people on this forum who can't access either. 

    Is there a third option? 

    Everything has drawbacks, and people very often make excuses about access that are really about conflicted motivation.

    But there are other complimentary options to psychoanalysis: careful expression of feelings in symbolic mediums (journaling, creative painting, etc.) combined with the pursuit of one’s desire, further creative expression, and so on. 

    The right spiritual guru.

    Sometimes the right kind of social group, support group, new group of friends, mentor. Sometimes even a significant other. 

    But of them, analysis and creative expression are the most reliably recommendable.

  21. Posted

    3 minutes ago, whoareyou said:

    It all depends on how you use the psychedelics. Unfortunately majority of people don't know how to get the maximum out of psychedelics or how to even trip properly. Have you tried doing things like self-inquiry while tripping? Have you also done any energetic work while on psychedelics? 

    Yes, I have. Self-inquiry has nothing to do with mystical states of the kind that psychedelics induce. That’s the misconception. 

    Psychedelics can be useful, and they certainly can be very cool and cosmic, but they’re not a substitute for other kinds of therapeutic emotional work. Nor are they a substitute for the rest of the spiritual path. 

  22. Posted · Edited by winterknight

    7 minutes ago, peanutspathtotruth said:

    I really respect your opinion, it's very interesting. Just a thought: How would you be in a position to make such a statement without a) using psychedelics intensely for many years with the purpose of purification b) doing psychotherapy just as intensely, c) doing both together, d) doing only one of them without the other etc. ? 

    I’ve tripped, I’ve talked to people who’ve tripped, I have extensive spiritual and psychological practice, and have studied philosophy and psychology for more than 20 years. It’s enough to understand that consuming a chemical, however wondrous,  cannot substitute for interpersonal, symbolic relationship-and perspectival-restructuring that necessarily happens over time. 

    Psychedelics can be useful, but they have their limits.

  23. Posted

    Just now, Serotoninluv said:

    Psychedelic-therapy in clinical settings has shown off-the-chart results.  On a whole mother level from other advancements in psychological therapy or medications have shown. Psychedelics will become mainstream in psych-therapy and psycho-analysis and take it to the next level. Psychologists that have utilized psychedelics are fighting for the ability to utilize them legally and putting their reputations (and at times careers) on the line. And once laboratory research is opened up, we will learn psychedelic mechanisms and improve their effectiveness. In two generations, today’s forms of psycho-therapy and analysis will crude and rudimentary.

    I’ve never said psychedelics can’t be useful. But they’re not going to be the reason why today’s therapy will seem “crude and rudimentary.” The belief that the mind is some kind of simple object that can be cracked with some innovative technique is wrong. Maybe for certain very delimited kinda of issues. But not generally. 

  25. Posted

    3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    @winterknight You underestimate psychedelics.

    No therapy session will come close to the healing power of one solid trip. Not even in the same ballpark.

    Well, for the reasons I laid out in my previous post, this makes zero sense.

    You’re commenting without actually understanding how or why therapy works. When a psychedelic enables someone to play the violin without ever having picked one up before, or learn German without studying, you can make these sorts of claims. 

    And I’ve had trips and have talked to people who have had many, many trips.