i am I AM
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No matter how complex life gets, there's always a way around it. And sometimes there's "no escape" but a better term for me is "opportunity to let what happens happen and only observe".
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It is written in many places about mini-enlightenment, which I presume is a term used when you think it's at a level lower than the most profound enlightenment you know of (?) (That makes no sense).
To find out, reach a level of enlightenment.
P.S. I'm using my own logic to say all this. Don't take it as my or your direct exp.!
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If you were in Star Trek, which character would you be?
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Is this the quality content I Am Here for?
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Aren't concepts a perception of something unknown (that would be the essence known as nothing)?
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At first the thoughts tend to get increasingly negative or distracting in another way. So recognize the thoughts, and realize they are not you. If you'd like/feel like you're ready, keep doing this. None of the thoughts are you no matter how convincing .
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Why are you trying to give up thought? Even enlightened beings think. But with discipline, thoughts will start to not bother you, so you couldn't care less whether it just keeps coming, and later (or earlier, maybe), they won't influence your actions. Disclaimer: There may be more to this. So mindfulness is just to draw you closer to your environment by being aware of the present. It's easier to get a handle on things that you don't see as separate from you.
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It's the word "my" that would have an effect. So, no.
Also, that's why I don't do self-inquiry. I just observe all around myself; everyone who is conscious knows who their self is to some extent (I assume). Then, being conscious and in a peaceful location, simply observe everything else that doesn't seem to have location at "you" including the thoughts.
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The answer may be too difficult for people to comprehend. I'm serious.
So, don't worry about it.
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@FoxFoxFox Since it is a spiritual concept I cannot ascribe it specifically, but here is an approximate analogy of the result of the disruption:
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Yep, this is a thing. Pretty trippy.
But...the laughing has breaked the meditation
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@winterknight Thank you. Yes, it's what I mainly thought...well, that's intriguing. Is there no chooser, excluding myself of course? I know I'm no chooser in my present knowledge.
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Since I now perceive the Self wanting is not conceptual, what does your Self want now? Right now.
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@Nadosa No action. No questioning thoughts. Observe all, only when you feel that way.
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I worked up to four hours of meditating, so length may be a factor. Do you do self-inquiry? In retrospect, I rarely found it helpful long-term.
See Mu_'s thread Spiritual Trappings #3. Are you doing any of that lately, especially so much it causes severe, and/or unbearable stress?
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@luismatos Do not try as you begin to move towards not trying.
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I've lost that battle like a few hundred times. The first time it happened I thought I had lost progress, for an entire month I thought like this. But I was determined, so after nearly two months had passed, I got back into meditation (much like strong determination style) and found out not only had progress not been lost but I became capable of deeper meditation than before, with new insights. I do not know whether the new insights had any correlation with my struggle before, but nevertheless it seemed to prove to me that losing the battle is not a total loss.
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@winterknight That sounds like evangelism. But of course, what more can I ask for, if I am ever a disturbance in an otherwise peaceful and undisturbed waters?
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@winterknight Yes, I have always heard enlightenment is the best possible thing. What is best? You haven't told us yet. Perhaps that is easier for me to understand than the information given by you, so far.
(It seems now to me that better and worse can only be labels and determined in the mind.)
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No problem. I enjoyed reading it.
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Just now, winterknight said:You cannot fully surrender on your own. You can only partially surrender -- that's the most you can do. What that means is that you accept whatever happens -- both in the outside world, and in terms of your thoughts and emotions. Let it go. Let it all go. Let decisions go. Let pain go. Let the need to change things go. Or if you feel that need, let that go. Whatever you do, think, or feel, let it go, let it go, let it go. Whatever pain you experience, let it go. Whatever desire you have, let it go.
If you feel like you cannot let it go, let that feeling go too.
That is the continuous effort of surrender. This will turn into full surrender but you cannot control when that happens.
The other possibility is to practice Ramana Maharshi's self-inquiry at all waking moments, which will automatically turn into full surrender at a certain point.
That could lead to depression. Lifelong depression; it's preferable to do this only in times of existential desperation. Yes, you can get that without self-inquiry or self-anything.
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Just now, FoxFoxFox said:One who has realized the absolute says I am what I am, but only if pushed by the unelightened to describe itself.
You are the One if true (axioms one says are true are True. But: What is You? I think you are what you eat. You can quote me on that!).
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Just now, FoxFoxFox said:The word consciousnesses is thrown around so wily nilly, that it's very hard to understand what its meant in each context. Regardless I have one question though: Sat Cit Ananda?
above is related to what I was saying(if you agree)
in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
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@Rilles This book claims mastery of mind is the key to mastery of life. Maybe I've never been in stage blue (don't know alot about sd but it seems like a heirarchy, which is old-school to me) but in any case that doesn't seem like something that would ever help me.
I really just wanted to put the first sentence, but the rest is for clarification for why I said that.
Ultimately, it's your mother's decision. Have you let her know that you want to help her? In a direct way? Alot of times on here people act like stage blue is a bad person/state of being. But if you're really open minded, how could someone imply that?