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  1. Posted

    9 minutes ago, Heart of Space said:

    As a tier 2 turquoise super ultra omega enlightened being I don't understand why anyone wouldn't resonate with what I said.   Oh well, I guess I'll have to levitate over to another thread.  

    Just keep in mind that this is Tier 1's mantra.

    Sure i can see how that post was off topic. I didnt initially see it that way because i thought the new way of thinking would be very powerful for your specific topics. But now that im more aware of how you feel about things, ill refrain from such discussions in the future.

  2. Posted

    @Heart of Space i wasnt lecturing you dude, i was expressing an idea.

    I think any 3rd person observer can see what i was pointing at, especially the part that it was just a vision/idea i had. You've just taken it too personally. 

    Actually what im alluding to is a tier 2(SD) way of understanding and communication rather than tier 1. You just werent open to that possibility. I guess this forum just isn't ready for it.

  3. Posted

    14 minutes ago, Consilience said:

    If you truly saw into the degree your mind is manipulating your view of THIS, you would understand why the words love, divinity, sacred, etc., get thrown around when talking about Truth.

    And the funny part is, he already sees that, because he's not some other that's making epistemic mistakes, he's you. Just another finite expression of the infinite youness.

  4. Posted

    4 hours ago, Madhur said:

    If we take an atheist and ask him to do all the required practice to experience god, and say he does all the practice, will he experience the god despite of he not having faith in God ?

    On a practical note. No you dont need faith(although i love mandyjw's perspective on faith). You need honesty, sincerity, open mindedness and being genuine about truth. If you've got these things, and you start to really question atheism, I'm not sure if you'll discover "god" for "god" is just a concept, but you'll feel a sense of deep love, satisfaction and joy from the effort you've put in.

  5. Posted

    34 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

    You don't have experiences with infinite love realized rocks? You people don't get outside enough. 

    Lol. I think the bigger point i was making was another way of seeing compassion is it literally being your entire spiritual path and journey, challenges, growth, AND helping others(if helping others is within the form youre realized through). In other words instead of compassion being some special trait that the almighty enlightened beings have and act on, compassion was actually flowing through the universe at the same rate the entire time, yet just manifested itself in different ways. Because the entire thing, not just self realization but also before that, was Love. Your "helping people" is just a tiny puzzle piece of the constant compassion that was always flowing through the universe.

    But at the same time, i can definitely see a mandyjw hugging rocks while on walks. 

  6. Posted

    IME you can try to be a good Samaritan all you want and refuse the intellect because your mind is too curious and active, yet you won't win, the force is too strong, and you'll have to learn to go with the flow of it, rather than reject it. So contemplation, insight, meditation it is, just learn to use it properly rather getting lost in thought.

    I like metaphysics, the sort of philosophical/idealistic type(quantum mechanics is too dry for me) yet more as a force of creative expression and design rather than a truth yielding mechanism. I find that you can try and just focus on removing karma all day, but eventually the creative mind will get sad and depressed that its creative energy isnt being let out, and so thats when the metaphysics comes into it. Just as the buddha/Moksha warned, getting lost in it is a distraction, any metaphysics beyond "ejaculating" creative energy and expressing compassion tends to be a waste of time. And waste of time = ego deception/you just got played by your karma.

  8. Posted

    29 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

    Sometimes I find words problematic, since any word I use is not another word. 

    I appreciated that joke, thanks! xD

    2 minutes ago, allislove said:

    Pfff.

    Once you have a glimpse of Love you won't say like that to people. That's why I was asking about psychedelics in another thread. 

    I think 1 hour morning meditation daily, observing a deep breath and/or self-inquiry, is the best bet here, in case psy is not an option.

    Godspeed ?

    Love != egoic saintliness. Love includes "get the fuck out of my thread you silly billy". 

  9. Posted

    Yeah I was trying to communicate a vision for an entirely different way of contextualizing a message. Where your perspective, views, attitudes, objections and observations are expressed with an agenda of showcasing the beauty of the universe's intelligence, diversity and wisdom, rather than as pitfalls or challenges that supposedly "others" are doing on the path. Much more like a painting rather than pure criticism.

    Such a new framing looks at the world more from the point of view that there are no individual "others" climbing up the path, making mistakes and pitfalls, but rather the universe as a whole is a integrated, intertwined and orchestrated play of different dynamics coming seasonally in and out of flow with a cumulative effect of growth of everyone as an entire organism, and such pitfalls are just new, and necessary dynamics of consciousness that makes the growth as a whole possible in the first place.

    Such framing I don't see happen on this forum much, if at all. And I see such a framing as being really really valuable for such topics such as the ones you bring up. Because the topics you bring up are much more unique to the individual then say the act of stabbing yourself in the eye.

    For example, people on the path have such wildly different reactions to psychedelics, that making a general statement for how users aren't using psychedelics properly, certainly has its place, but there's also the element that whether people are actually misusing psychedelics, or whether they are getting deluded by them, is not as clear cut as it seems. Even if they are getting deluded, they might be worse off without them, you don't really know, and then theres the fact that such delusions might not actually be delusions, such people might actually need aliens to advance on the path, its ridiculously diverse.

    Such diversity is at a similar scale for your other points.

    So for such complicated topics like these ones, your message might actually come through more effectively if its framed in a way where what you're offering is a showcase and an invitation of exploring a particular perspective of consciousness, and you highlight especially the beauty, wisdom and intelligence of the perspective, without adding in assumptions about the pitfalls of those "others", or rather an assumptions of what those others should be doing, or what they should be aiming for, because in a sense each person really does have their own unique path, even though giving others clear directions on what they should or should not be doing is cool sometimes.

    For a concrete example:

    1 hour ago, Heart of Space said:

    @TrippyMindSubstance  I think we share a lot of feelings about psychedelics, you really hit the nail on the head for me. (A) Still I think a lot of people who use psychedelics as a spiritual tool need to hear things like what you just said dearly. (B) A lot of people get lost in delusion using psychedelics.  I will say though, if Leo says the his use of psychedelics works for him I will take his word on it.  But I probably do differ in my feelings on psychedelics from Leo to some degree for sure. 

    (B) could be reframed as: "I want to take you, if you're willing, on a tour of a newly emerging perspective about the properties of psychedelics. In this perspective, such tools radically break the mind's ability to process stimuli in ways that are far more chaotic and extreme, which destabilizes the mind's ability to make sense of such breakdown of stimuli and cause it to try and rush immature, unbaked, rushed reconstructions of interpretations of such breakdowns that lead to a destabilization and misleading of direction on the spiritual path. In this perspective, such minds were unprepared for what just occurred, and now have to deal with the added turmoil of correcting such broken reconstructions".

    That way you're not assuming stuff, but just introducing the insight in its pure form, which was your insight originally anyway because "others" don't exist.

    Anyway I didn't post this here to convince you of anything, the original intent was to clear up my previous message, because I didn't feel right about how my original message was misinterpreted. I didn't actually think you were being unfair or biased, I was just trying to communicate the above.

  10. Posted · Edited by electroBeam

    48 minutes ago, Heart of Space said:

    You are correct about the nature of perspective.  Everyone has a finite subjective experience, which is why open mindedness can be extremely important especially in the realm of spirituality.  That's why I was careful to word this so that people understand that I am not attacking them and simply sharing a subjective point of view.  Ultimately it's up to the individual reading my post whether or not it resonates with them and I'm totally fine with that.  

    That being said, you can say the same thing about language in general, yet wouldn't you agree that we can have reasonable discussions about the most pragmatic and effective way to communicate?  Ultimately we could all cop out of the debate with something similar to your response here and ultimately be right in doing so.  Not to mention, the idea that it is a good idea to stick a knife in your eye is a perspective, surely you would debate a person suggesting this?

    Also, what you say in your response to me is a perspective as well.  The subjective nature of perspective does not stop me or many others from having the discussion, nor should it.  

    You can debate, i didnt say you couldn't. 

    But there's an underlying assumption in debates that there's an absolute correct answer that both parties have in common. There is a total lack of acknowledgement that people have different truths. And that lack of acknowledgement has limitations on the effectiveness of such communication. It limits ones ability to probe into understanding the other's position, as it is assumed that their position is the same as his/hers. The orientation is misguided from the outset because it is assumed that if this person has the same reality as me, and they dont get what im writing, then they must have blind spots, or be deluded somehow, when actually when one considers everyone's position is different and everyone has a different truth, one's mind opens up to possibilities beyond that such as their brain chemistry is different, personality differences, differences in emotional vibration or frequencies or energetic signatures. It could be possible that such a perspective is absolutely irrelevant to them due to such differences, no blindspots at all, just living in a different world or reality entirely, like a salvia user debating over what the universe is with a LSD user. Which is just an elaborate way of saying all perspectives are finite. 

  11. Posted

    10 minutes ago, Moksha said:

    Saved this for last, because of synchronicity. I just read this today:

    The Buddha never indulged in metaphysics. His concern was relentlessly practical: life is full of suffering, the cause of that suffering is selfishness, and selfishness can be removed by practicing the Eightfold Path. Anything else is a distraction. On what lay beyond the impermanent world of ego and change, his attitude was simple, "First go there, then you will see for yourself."

    Lol! Nice one!

  12. Posted

    1 hour ago, Moksha said:

    @electroBeam As I see it, the advantage of being a higher state of Consciousness is that you suffer less, and love others more. Recognizing that there is no "you", and there are no "others", is only a partial realization. God is in the human form, illusion that it is, and for that reason, it deserves to be honored.

    Yep, interesting. I think that's what most "others" aim for. Definitely agree that those things are partial realizations.

    Yet what I aim for is actually getting epistemic things right first and foremost, rather than increasing love or reducing suffering. So spotting deception, making sure I truly know what I think I know(whether thats a thought/ideology, state of consciousness, insight or realization) and always being open to other possibilities to make sure I'm not closing myself off to what might actually reveal a deeper truth. I've always got lots of karma, no matter how many realizations I've had, and there's always stuff to spot, always areas where I've just noticed I'm wrong or incorrect about something, or where others are incorrect about something, even people like ramana, and you can prove that to yourself through highly rigorous letting go, meditation or contemplation. That's really fun for me, its like solving maths problems, except they are epistemic knowings. And this process does lead you to being more loving, because that's whats true.

    I don't think that's enlightenment TBH, I think that's just truth. Its definitely the process Leo follows though, and half of my influence came from him.

  13. Posted

    15 minutes ago, Moksha said:

    Not just different, there is a progression in states of Consciousness that Ramakrishna is pointing to. Everything is just an illusion though, right? Be the bestana illusion you can be 9_9

    yep, but could it be that that progression was pretending to happen/not absolute aswell, and it only seems absolute because consciousness is so groundless that if the progression occurred in a different way we wouldn't be able to tell the difference and would be saying the same thing about that progression.

    Well the human form is finite, and that progression's got some human form stuff intertwined in it, especially the helping "others" part(can an enlightened rock help others on its spiritual journey), so as mental masturbationy it sounds, there might be something to it.

  14. Posted

    6 minutes ago, Moksha said:

    Jnana is the first step on the path of knowledge. Bhakti and Karma are the wise applications of this knowledge, or the love of God and of everyone else. Some of the people here have taken the Jnana path, and concluded that they are now awake. They have not yet learned Vijnana, or to cook on the fire of their knowledge.

    One who has merely heard of fire has ajnana, ignorance. One who has seen fire has jnana. But one who has actually built a fire and cooked on it has vijnana.

    - Ramakrishna

    And the one who sees that ajnana, jnana and vijnana are all just different, finite flavors of the infinite has bestana ;)

     

  15. Posted

    3 minutes ago, Loving Radiance said:

    What do you make of that? Being in superposition?

    Something so beyond words thats its even beyond pointers. Pointers just become a hindrance.

    3 minutes ago, Loving Radiance said:

     

    I get that logically. "I" am not there yet (yes, it's not somewhere else but you understand I am under many layers of delusion).

    Imagine telling a savage you just met in the jungle how to get around in Manhattan. I mean, yeah, he will walk in Manhattan some day, but right now it fits more his survival to have a map of Brazil as he orients himself in Brazil to find a way to the airport to travel to NY.

    Actually its more like that savage is still in Brazil, still has a Brazilian map, but trying to get to the twin towers, but we're telling you it isn't there. Then you're saying oh because the towers got taken down in 2001 and we're saying no because you're in Brazil.

    The answer is to let go of knowing. You assume truth requires obtaining a knowing. And you dont have it and therefore dont get it. But the actual truth is you really already do know the truth, its that assumption thats fucking you up. Youve got low self esteem issues xD

    9 minutes ago, Loving Radiance said:

    I get that you go to the foundation of "If" to show why the house has a skewed angle.

    But do you go to the foundation of if to show that Mario's house is made of pixels?

     

  17. Posted

    1 minute ago, levani said:

    @electroBeam this is kinda hard impossible to grasp but I can see if being right, let me render it for a bit

    ;)

    let go of feeling like you don't know anything, that you're not getting anywhere, that you're not gaining anything, that you're not getting "it".

    The universe IS NOT INFINITE LOVE

    the universe IS NOT INFINITE INTELLIGENCE

    the universe IS NOT NOTHINGNESS

    We are tricking you. We are gaming you. The truth is not those things.

    NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT

    LET GO LET GO LET GO

  19. Posted · Edited by electroBeam

    On 12/15/2020 at 5:58 AM, Max1993 said:

    This is to all the top masters here

    The greatest master is the one who knows he's the greatest fool. So don't expect a true master to be able to answer any of these questions. Rather a true master wont be able to answer any of them.

    On 12/15/2020 at 5:58 AM, Max1993 said:

    what remains a deep mystery for you?

    Why is the universe structured the way it is?

    Why did I unenlighten myself?

    What is knowing?

    On 12/15/2020 at 5:58 AM, Max1993 said:

    Were emotions invented or are they an inherent part of the singularity?

    Both, because singularity isn't one, its everything.

    On 12/15/2020 at 5:58 AM, Max1993 said:

    If the singularity already contains every possible configuration of reality, why would intelligent creation be necessary? Wouldn't a being just pop up somewhere within the eternal structure since infinity has no choice but to exist?

    hehehehehehehehehehehe.....

    From a human's POV, a human is intelligent and rocks are dumb. From a rock's POV, a rock is intelligent and a human is dumb. Because relative intelligence is based on our form's POV. From total groundlessness, so groundless that calling it groundless is too grounded, EVERYTHING IS INTELLIGENT! Which means its almost correct to say that a human just popping out of nowhere is just as intelligent as a human being born from parents. But almost is a key word here, because Truth includes you, and you asking these questions, and you coming up with these questions, and you coming up with the scenario of a random human popping out of nowhere, and ALL OF THAT IS INTELLIGENCE! Isolating your scenario of a human just popping out of nowhere from the fact that you asked it, and came up with it and wrote it here is separating the truth. And if the truth is separate, then its not the total truth, and if its not the total truth, its not completely true, and THATS WHY a random person popping out of nowhere isn't true, and intelligent creation is necessary, because the truth cannot be not intelligent creation, because the truth cannot be not true.

    On 12/15/2020 at 5:58 AM, Max1993 said:

    Have you had a shocking insight about the nature of reality that you cannot find in books or the internet but you know it is true?

    Yes. I've seen how the entire spiritual path is just pretend, it doesn't get you enlightened. God was pretending to get enlightened from the spiritual path all along, because pretending to get enlightened from the spiritual path is within or a subset of infinity. Enlightenment is FINITE, not infinite, I've seen both getting enlightened, and getting unenlightened, in the same lifetime.

  20. Posted

    On 12/16/2020 at 11:08 PM, Persipnei said:

    On these forums you can find quite a bit of links to video's from spiritual teachings. 99% of what these people say is the same, but the way I experience their teachings couldn't be more different.

    A few teachers a lot of people here seem to really trust, don't touch me at all, even give me a repulsive feeling when checking them out. Others feel trustworthy, but not very special and then there are some that talk straight to my soul and create extreme experiences in my mind's eye.

    I was wondering why this happens. Since they say the same things, I suppose they must be around the same vibration and thus should kinda give the same feeling to my experience, but they don't.

    Have you noticed yet that the more your spiritual path develops, the more open you are to different vibrations of different people, more open you are to what others say, the more you listen to others, the more open you are to exploring different perspectives?

    That's because the path reduces your biases or "karma". So that you can open yourself up to more and more and more of the universe - letting go of your judgements and rejections.

    Yet you still have lots of karma, rejections and judgements, and these are the culprits for why certain teachers resonate with you more then others.

    Once you fully merge with god, beyond awakening, you'll be totally in-discriminant with accepting each teacher, and the point of this work is to get as close to that as possible.

  21. Posted

    Keep in mind that everything you've written is a perspective. Perspectives are FINITE. Finite means they begin, but also end. Everything that's finite is not superior to anything else that is finite, because at some stage that finite thing will end, and another finite thing will begin. You love this perspective now, because it has begun, but you will not love it anymore when it ends, whether it ends because you get sick of that perspective, or you reincarnate into someone who likes a different perspective.

    I could debate you on exactly how I think you're wrong on every point, and I would be totally and completely correct from my perspective, but the bigger picture is realizing that what you and I believe are perspectives that both have a beginning, but also come to an end.

  22. Posted

    On 12/15/2020 at 10:22 AM, levani said:

    1. If you could please define awareness in your own terms or contrasted with other words

    its the only thing that is completely undefinable and ungraspable. If you have defined something, its not awareness.

    On 12/15/2020 at 10:22 AM, levani said:

    2. When Leo uses the example in his regular meditation video for example when you were sitting you do not think about setting Big Brother you put your awareness to it so when your asses on the chair you don't think about your ass in the champions you become aware of it does this mean that you just feel the seat and your ass on the seat so you try to feel whatever is happening. Feeling is not thinking if I am correct?

    "feeling is not thinking" is an open question which has no "correct" answer. That's the point - NO correct answer. As soon as there is a correct answer, you've just made a definition, and if you've made a definition, then its not awareness.

  23. Posted

    On 12/16/2020 at 0:17 AM, Loving Radiance said:

    Is it a thought that I sense the being in others? Is it a projected thought?

    What if its not true to say its a thought, but neither is it true to say its not a thought.

    On 12/16/2020 at 0:17 AM, Loving Radiance said:

    I also know that I project love onto others, seeing love in them.

    There is an "I" that "knows". But that "knows" is only valid if the "I" is true, if the I is not true, then when the I collapses, so does that "knows"

    On 12/16/2020 at 0:17 AM, Loving Radiance said:

    If being is (like) love, my reality is build on this. If so, how do I recognize the illusory nature of the projection?

    "if" implies possibility. Possibility implies thought. The truth cannot be an if. Whatever it is, its not an if. If implies trying to believe the universe is love so hard that it turns true, yet thats not how truth works. Truth is letting go of belief. Let go of the belief that the universe is love. We are all wrong. Leo is wrong, the universe is not love and we are tricking you. The universe is something completely different to love.

    On 12/16/2020 at 0:17 AM, Loving Radiance said:

    Where do I go from here? What do I "do"?

    Truth comes when you give up on going somewhere. But you'll only have the wisdom to see that after looking everywhere other then nowhere. So go look, absolutely everywhere for the truth, and then when you're burnt out, rest in the now.