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  1. Posted

    An idea of something is not the actual thing.

    A phone is a word pointing to a particular form.

    The person lives in this psychic dream of symbols, which makes things appear real and seperate.

    "Enlightenment" is a symbol/concept just like the word "phone" and what it points to can never be understood with other symbols/concepts.

    Symbols and concepts appear within what you are looking for, they are not to be discarded, I'm simply saying that you're looking in the right place. 

    We want to understand, but understanding is very superficial, it is a soup of concepts describing other concepts. 

    Not knowing is the case already, being home is the case already.

     

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    Enlightenment is an illusion like every other desire your imagination cooks up. The "I" that wants enlightenment is enlightenment disguised as a seperate "I" that wants enlightenment.  The "me" wanting it is what feels so terrible. It is a movement towards, and you know deep down that has never and will never work. That is why we call ourselves seekers and never finders. You won't find it because what you're looking for is what you already are.

  3. Posted · Edited by traveler

    Just gonna put this on here as it is a misunderstanding many have: "Non duality" is NOT the opposite of "duality." Saying reality is "non dual" is not saying that it is a specific thing, it is not saying that it is the opposite of "duality," it is just stating that it isn't dual. The word "non duality" just "gets rid of" the main misunderstanding: that reality is dual. 

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    1 hour ago, justfortoday said:

    The observer or self in you, is the same self as in me. Lets drop your ego for a second. Ego is not real.

    Infinity means that every possible thing that could ever happened, happened - independent of time and space.

    So you as god are going through each life and playing it like a movie.

    So yes, if you are reading this, the “self” in you is all there is. That and your imagination.

    Careful with these interpretations. The self or observer is the illusion, life can not be understood, nor does it need to be.

    The self is not! The positive (self) and the negative (not) cancels eachother out and all there is left is.

    Every story and explanation about this is just more babble for the one who needs to know to grab on to. This does not need to be described, it does not need to be put into a box and dumbed down as being "God's VR." This can not be said to be anything. 

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    Saying "nothing matters" won't do anybody any good. Might be an insight, a glimpse beyond the veil, but those interpretations should be allowed to wither away with the wind. Forget about it. If it doesn't matter who cares? How can there be emotional baggage with that insight if it is actually true? Every belief about anything that provokes an emotional reaction is a subjective and limited interpretation.

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    15 hours ago, B222 said:

    Is there really anything to be solved? Why does it always feel like it?

    No.

    Because of a deep conviction that there is something wrong. You're trying to push "normal" life away and replace it with a higher more spiritual/metaphysical life. The mystery is not found, the mystery is living. What all seekers are actually doing is living in a dream, they are trying to escape the inevitability of lifes fruition. It is easier to look the other way towards the stars than to face the realness of what is with all of it's many different aspects, games and rules.

  7. Posted · Edited by traveler

    Who would know if an act is selfish or not, and does it matter? The one who wants to be selfless is the self. The self can not be selfless. The practicing of selflessness is selfish. Selflessness=selfishness. Selfishness=selflessness. If you lose the conditioned programs that puts selflessness and selfishness up against each other you'll realise that selfishness isn't "bad" and selflessness "good." Many people need to be more selfish, they are too concerned about external happenings and comforting people around them without taking their own mental health into account. 

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    1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

    Not sure where authority or superiority comes in anywhere.  Are you saying there is no benefit to the the teachings?  The old you are already enlightened and there is nothing to discover perspective?

    Look closer then. There can be superficial and temporary benefits from understanding facets of reality intellectually. They are temporary and superficial because they aren't absolute, no teaching is absolute. The absolute can not be tought, therefore you're better of looking for yourself instead of listening to supposed "teachers." What is really pointed to can not be spoken about and can not really be pointed to. I believe that a very important step on this road is stepping of it. There comes a time where no teaching will seem to matter anymore, everything non dual and spiritual just loses it's significance. This is when life seems to be actually surrendered too, there is no need for an explanation to live anymore, a resistance in the form of getting somewhere else loses it's grip. Everyone acting special and spirituality evolved are just seen as what they are: a role being played. They are just a little annoying sometimes because of the self-importantance and self-righteousness they exude. 

     

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    8 hours ago, neutralempty said:

    @traveler That is a very beautiful goat!

    Thank you! I found him on a mountainside in Denmark.  

     

    7 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

    Relatively speaking a rock is a rock and not a kangaroo - but when we say it is One we aren't speaking of the number one (in the relative domain).   What is being said is prior to that - a singularity prior to language.  And a singularity must be unlimited, or Infinite.  Which means all relative distinctions must collapse.  Something and nothing are identical.   

    I'm well aware of what you're talking about. As soon as the distinction is made there is an apparent difference, there is no value in saying otherwise. Not other than the feeling of authority/superiority you get when you act like your understanding of non duality matters. 

     

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    1 minute ago, Fran11 said:

    There's true in both perspectives.

    But I already see the monoperspectival ego-fuled word-game war coming... xD

    There is no point in making this complicated, saying that there is no difference between a lamp and a cat is maybe true in the case that nothing is real, but there obviously is a difference once you've made the distinction. The ego is the only one that thinks that it is important to realize stuff like that on an intellectual level, it is so utterly meaningless and will only cause more confusion. I don't really write on here anymore, because writing about this and talking about it is so dumb in a way. It isn't a thing, it doesn't have a point, it's free to be whatever it is. Most realizations enhance the feeling of me here, a me here that is very smart and special because I am spiritually developed and now I need to tell everyone my insights which will make me feel good and superior. ?

  17. Posted

    1 minute ago, James123 said:

    @traveler Yes, but when you are complete there will be no you to understand, learn, write, breathe. Everything will be you, which is nothing, which is just being. Our conversation was about being god, and you are not god now. Before body dies you can never be god. Stop being in wonderland that you are god now. Thats it. Dont trust people so much, even me. Have a direct experience. And you will get what i am saying. Peace! 

    Okay, I will back out now. Have a good one :)

  18. Posted

    4 minutes ago, James123 said:

    brother what do you think awakening is :) Awakening experience is not learning it is being. Whatever you learn it is not it. Thats why you need direct experience.  So you are not awaken, thats why learn instead of answering. I assume these stuff, lol. Consciousness cant be assume, it can just be. Let leo write and learn. 

    I hear what you are saying, I'm not talking about experiences though. This happening, this apparent back and forth dialogue is not separate from "it". @James123 and @traveler is nothing appearing as this play of bad communication between two characters, there is nothing to be gotten, there is nowhere to go. This happening is complete already.

  19. Posted · Edited by traveler

    15 minutes ago, James123 said:

    If there is no you now, you wont be able to understand these sentences. You haven’t experience nothingness or god consciousness . So listen instead of talking if you want to know what real god is and you are not god now. 

    How do you know any of this? These are assumption based on nothing but stubborness and self righteousness.

    10 minutes ago, James123 said:

    Feeling something is that you have learned. Imagine before the birth, where were you? Did you have any survival instinct? Thats what is god. Just being as nothing. Thats why you don’t remember. Because being is completely not knowing. 

    Your main assumption is that you know what this is. This is nothing being, this is not really happening, it has no solidity. It comes and goes, and when it goes, it never was.

  20. Posted

    2 minutes ago, James123 said:

    Let leo write

    I'm not stopping Leo from writing, this is a forum not Leo's blog.

    3 minutes ago, James123 said:

    You are not awaken, dont come with the stuff that you have learned.

    I'm not saying what I've learned, there is not really anyone here saying anything. This just arises out of nothing, there is no individual over here that has this knowledge. Someone is apparently here typing this, but this body has no idea of what we are talking about.

    I will say this, good for you if you think you have found something that others don't have. It feels real good doesn't it? That subtle feeling of superiority that you get. In the end just to mask the feeling of falling from grace though.

  21. Posted · Edited by traveler

    54 minutes ago, James123 said:

    Phone is different than you now

    It is different from a body yes, if there is a "me" identifying as the body there will be separation between "me" and the phone. Non duality is not pointing to some mush of everything, it is not pointing to "one," it is pointing to "not two" which has nothing to do with one. It is indescribable which is why the word "non duality" gives no further clues than that it is not what it seems.

  22. Posted

    Just now, James123 said:

    Whatever you say is something, god is nothing.  If everything is god, what is the common point? Common point is nothing, because nothing is everything.

    Point is that nothing is the case already, nothing needs to happen for nothing to become nothing, it is already nothing and everything as you said. So the appearance phone does not need to go away for there to be no phone.

    4 minutes ago, James123 said:

    But being completely god being 1. All is one now, we are all but not 1. When dreams end you can be 1. So you need awakening. 

    If all is one now, "we" aren't. There is no actual we, but the experience of being a self here talking with another self over there is still a possibility. There is nothing wrong with that and then something right with being "only God" as you call it. Enlightenment is not a state of God consciousness, it is the total acceptance of all possibilities with no hierachy of better and worse. All is included, this experience does not need to be overcome, but this experience could be an experience of something to be overcome. The possibilities are infinite, in theory, but the only real possibility is always that which is open to infinite possibility which IS what is.

  23. Posted · Edited by traveler

    1 hour ago, James123 said:

    When you are god, there is no movement, no phone, no forum, no others, no feelings, no choice, there is nothing except you, because you are nothing. 

    You're talking as if you could be anything other than God. Movement is God moving, phone is God phoneing, forum is God foruming and so on. There is nothing wrong at all with what is, you could say that "what is" is already what "God" wants, but that still creates a distinction between "the two." God = what is. The dream in a sense stems from resistance to what is, it creates a distance in which another "what is" that is fulfilling must be out there. This "what is" is the "what is" "out there" that you are looking for.

    Jesus I just read that over one more time and it is just a jumble of words. Might not be the greatest expression, but the point still stands. There is nothing wrong, but it won't mean anything until the experience of something wrong falls away.

  24. Posted · Edited by traveler

    On 6.9.2020 at 6:44 PM, Alfonsoo said:

    Do we experience the world the same way? Can other life forms self actualizar, grow, enlighten?

    Who actually knows and who cares? We can only theorise, humans love theorising. 

    All life forms grow. Actualization and enlightenment though, is fabricated by the unique human experience of being separated. "Enlightenment" is separation looking for a reason or meaning to it's illusory reality. It never finds it, notice you haven't found it? It is not for you, it is not an exclusive thing only for humans. Humans have an extra layer that is called "me" (lack of a better word) that creates separation from everything else. That layer can fall away, it won't make you more special than a dog or a flower, it won't make you better. IT IS A LOSS, you can't comprehend real loss though, because if you could, did you really lose it?Enlightenment is purely an egoic pursuit. This is it, there is no welcome home party, you were already always home.