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@brugluiz He probably had plenty of Blue in him as well. But Green is capable of killing people, just like any stage is. Especially when things get political. Political leaders have to make many tough choices which usually involve the death of people. Take a look at what happened in Osho's ashram. They almost killed people even though their culture was very Green.

@joeyi99 That's a big can of worms. There are no guarantees but hardcore yogic practices are probably the best way. Most people will not get them. Psychics usually show signs of their abilities early in life when they are still kids.

@Krisena Interesting...

Okay, let's not derail this thread any more with political debate. You can start a new thread to discuss libertarianism, etc.

@Krisena Interesting. Why no Turquoise?

Yes, enlightenment should put an end to that. But practically speaking you probably won't attain enlightenment without first conquering your OCD. It's a two-way street. You must become conscious of what your fear and sadness is, along with what you are. It's all interconnected at rock bottom. Fear and depression and ego is all one thing. One giant self-sustaining illusion. Psychedelics are great for this.

Our society has been going right for 50+ years. There is no serious discussion with JP because he does not understand feminism, post-modernism, relativism, socialism, morality, developmental psychology, or spirituality. He is not helping his audience understand these complex and nuanced topics. I'm willing to bet good money that no JP fan has ever read a single feminist or post-modernist book. So this isn't a discussion so much as it's bigotry. JP himself is pretty well-read. But his audience is not. So it turns in turns into a one-eyed man leading the blind off a cliff. But don't take my word for it. Discover for yourself.

Penrose is great stage Yellowish scientist. But he lacks direct nondual experience. He's about where Albert Einstein and the fathers of quantum mechanics were. But that's still not high enough to really understand what consciousness is. So close yet so far.

@Azrael He's not outright hateful per se as in he's calling for violence. He just creates a straw man out of Green. JP has a Green shadow. He is denying Green, judging it, etc. I have posted examples of this on my blog in the past. Like this doozy of ignorance: But you see, he doesn't need to be hateful. All he needs to do is create this judgmental ideology, this straw man, and poison the well, and the alt-right will do the rest for him. He's a gateway into the alt-right. He himself will never say anything hateful, but his philosophy will give aid and comfort to xenophobia, Islamophobia, racism, misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, socialism-phobia, etc. It's basically like Fox News. They are never directly hateful per se, but they create toxic propaganda which keeps many people in ignorance and ultimately bolsters judgment and hatred. The dangerous person teaching your kids is JP. Lol.

Don't expect such people to grasp what consciousness is. I spoil you guys with too much advanced wisdom Do not expect unenlightened folk to understand what consciousness is. It is basically impossible.

@Azrael An example of what? His political commentary is all over YouTube and you should be well aware of how the alt-right operates by now. GamerGate? David Hogg? Come on now.

A refugee crisis created by a stage Orange overactive American capitalist military-industrial complex. The one JP is defending. It was obvious that the Neo-Con's wars would cause all sorts of systemic blowback. If the USA had a stage Green government there would be a lot less refugees and terrorism. The irony is that conservatives are creating the very thing they hate: hordes of angry brown Muslims. Just wait until the effects of global warming kick in. The refugee problem will become 10x worse thanks to Orange. Integrating refugees is a valid issue. A nation cannot integrate an unlimited number of refugees. But this must be carefully distinguished from ethnocentric objections to taking in refugees. For example the USA can support millions more refugees. Conservatives who oppose immigration here are not doing it on systemic-collapse grounds but on ethnocentric grounds. They don't like brown foreigners diluting "their" country. You have not watched enough of his political commentary. In his university lectures he does not demonize as much as in his political commentary. And it's his political commentary which made him famous. JP's entire public career is predicated on attacking Green. He makes millions of dollars directly off that. His most loyal fans love him because of that. I hesitate to even post a video rebutting JP because I know his fans will try to attack me, hack my accounts, DDoS attacks, doxxing, swatting, death threats, etc. Because that's how an angry stage Blue/Orange ego behaves. He has created in anti-feminist, anti-socialist, anti-post-modernist ideological cult.

Everything in you is a survival mechanism. Survival is the whole game you're playing.

Soviet Union was Red/Blue not Green. His conflation of Soviet Union with America and socialism is abysmally wrong-headed. The most advanced, developed, happiest, and healthiest countries in the world are: Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, Finland, Netherlands, etc. They are stage Green, verging on Yellow. Yes, they pay more taxes so that society is more even and fair for average people. The metric of success is not tax rate but average happiness, education, health, and success levels. His wisdom is not so practical when it polarizes young white males into demonizing stage Green, collectivism, post-modernism, environmentalism, and women's/minority rights. His audience has not integrated these things at all. Nor has JP. Meanwhile American society is drowning in pathological Orange to the point of global collapse. That's like worrying about jellyfish when there's a great white shark headed right at you.

In other words, they behave just like humans do towards fruit and animals. Disgust is an ego survival mechanism.

@Rilles You don't have to go that far back: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/09/26/russian-cannibal-couple-may-have-drugged-killed-and-eaten-as-many-as-30-people-police-say/

@AleksM Nice!

When you are cold and hungry on Mars and you've been eating fruit for 20 years straight and you're craving some BBQ ribs, you will reconsider

There are many different universities and programs. You can certainly find universities which teach positive and transpersonal psychology. Life coaching or hypnotherapy is another option. Hell, you could become a psychic and get clients through Yelp (assuming you had psychic abilities). I know a psychic couple who charge $200/hr for healing. The more woo-woo you get, the more you'll have to run your own shop, which means learning biz and marketing skillz. But that can be super rewarding.

@LoveandPurpose Well, academia is a very obvious option. The whole point of being a tenured professor is that you can basically research whatever the hell you want. You can even get government grants for your research and hire research assistants.

@tashawoodfall What is your life purpose? Why couldn't it make a living? Don't confuse one project you're doing with your LP. An initial project is not supposed to make you an entire living.

@Outer So what if I eat all of your Mars colony fruit before you get there and lock you out in the cold? And then I grill up your corpse for dinner. I didn't initiate any force. I was just eating fruit and then found a juicy corpse lying outside so why let it go to waste?

Mars colonies don't materialize from thin air. It takes 4 billion years of murder to create a Mars colony. And on that Mars colony you will have people who will use force to survive. Not to mention your killing of plants (which of course you conveniently don't even consider as initiation of force). But you are literally enslaving plants and eating them. Did you ask the plant for permission to eat it? Is the plant being eaten voluntarily? Do you see how ridiculously self-biased your whole worldview is? You are so selfish you don't even see your actions as selfishness!

Without initiation of force against others life could not exist. Survival is force, manipulation, theft, killing, and deception. You are lying to yourself that you do not initiate force. See how you pretend to be an angel while actually being a devil? As soon as your survival is threatened, you will initiate force and then you will justify it to yourself as not an initiation of force. Because in your egoic delusion you are an angel and must maintain that heroic self-image. By definition, anything you say, do, or think is "good" in your own mind because all you know and care about is your survival. All of your high ideals are just part of your survival strategy. They are survival through deception.

No! You fundamentally misunderstand how ego works. Ego defines everything relative to itself. "Self-defense" and "good" just mean: whatever is good FOR ME -- whatever I believe. People do not agree on anything. That's the whole problem. People are dishonest and lying ALL THE TIME! Most people are full of shit, even with themselves. All of those libertarians are full of shit. Therein lies the problem. They don't realize their own bullshit. All of their high ideals are just fantasies of the ego which is acting noble when in fact it is a selfish devil. A libertarian has no idea of how the ego is running the entire show. A libertarian is just a devil in sheep's clothing. What's worse, he's so deluded he's managed to convince himself he's an angel. At least a warlord is honest with himself that he's a devil.