Satiating Food

[ElenaO]

I am almost ignorant in regards to nutrition. OK, I do know the basics, like the fact that clean plant-based diet is better in most ways than the animal one. I am a vegetarian (except I eat fish sometimes, suggested by my doctor) for a couple of years now and because of the lack of proper research and knowledge, I got in some trouble. Long story short, some of my hormone levels went down. To give some more details, my diet includes lots of fruits. In fact, I notice now that when I eat a fruit it makes me crave more of it. Like I would eat 5 apples a time or 3 bananas in the morning. So I am wondering if I actually became sugar addicted because of that?

Another thing, it's hard for me to feel full for a long time. In fact, I eat quite big portions of food. Though, usually the food is rather light. So what would be examples of food that you eat and that make you feel good, but also satiated for a long time? 

 

[ElenaO]

Had a huge omelette and some salmon in the morning! Ooh, that was satiating! 

[ElenaO]

Thanks a lot @Michael569 for your post! Very helpful. A few more questions:

 

1. Why do you think that canned legumes should be avoided? 

2. Which fruits are low GI, I actually thought all of them are. 

3. I think nuts and sweet fruits do not combine well. I would expect digestion issues. From my experience. 

4. Even though I have been eating tons of fruits I actually notice I don't get extra weight don them. Or at least not much. If I eat two snickers I am positive that I would notice the change immediately. 

[Awomanaware]

@ElenaO Nowadays many women (especially young girls) are confused regarding diet, because there is too much info all over the place, and people just don't know what and how to eat anymore. I've done the same thing, eating loads of fruit, raw food hype for a long period of time, feeling great (spiritually, physically, emotionally) - but on the long run, this kind of lifestyle has gotten me in some serious health issues, similar to yours.

The thing is, are bodies are wired differently, we come from different lifestyles, and while one 40 year old women who is already a mother may have long term benefits from eating only bananas and apples for breakfast, a girl in her 20's who is active all of the time, wants to be a mother one day, with a lot of things going on in her life, all affecting her hormone levels - adding loads of fruit (=carbs, sugar) in her diet will only spike her insuline levels which will lead to a hormonal imbalance. We need to stop listening to others and re-program our minds to listen to our bodies insted. But of course, first we need to be aware how our bodies, or in this case - hormones are functioning in different periods of our lifes, and be aware of what nutrients they need to function properly.

You cannot feel full because the fruit you eat is mostly water and sugar, that diagestes quickly, and you body horomones need calories from whole foods that won't spike your insuline to function properly. Mostly, they need vegetables, leafy greens, healthy fats and good quality protein so that you blood sugar levels don't go insane, because every time that happens, you'll start feeling hungry again. You don't have to cut off fruit from your diet, just try eating it in moderation and combining it with protein, nuts and seeds for example, because protein keeps your blood sugar normal. Also, if you are suffering from a hormonal imbalance, it is true that it would be good to eat LOW GI food in general.

For example, if you want to eat fruit, eat it WHOLE, not in a smoothie, because with making a smoothie, you are processing the food and the GI of the food goes up. Also, with every meal you eat, don't forget adding some protein and healthy fats. But the most important thing is to really listen to your body, whenever you are hungry eat. You can try reversing your diet with a candida cleanse diet, it can help with getting back on track.

[ElenaO]

6 hours ago, Michael569 said:

 

3. I think nuts and sweet fruits do not combine well. I would expect digestion issues. From my experience. 

You may be right on this. Fruits are best consumed alone and on empty stomach although I've never had similar experience when consuming. Need to research this topic a bit more, thanks for picking it up. I remember reading this somewhere a long time ago that protein inhibits the sugar digestion but that could be wrong. 

I think it also depends on how quickly the fruit ferments, the more sugar it has the quicker it does and that strains the digestive system much more. 

I notice the issues right away - bloating and gases. Maybe some people are less sensitive to this than others. So for me it's a no-brainer. I guess I would have to skip sweet fruits altogether.

Regarding the beans, I think it's still fine to use canned if it's not every single day? Otherwise, this becomes too complicated. Or at least in the beginning. 

I've actually noticed how today I ate whole lots of beans at lunch (even though skipped the breakfast) and then after like 2 hours felt hungry again I'm becoming kind of desperate because of these cravings. Will keep researching. Thanks a lot for your suggestions!

[ElenaO]

6 hours ago, Awomanaware said:

@ElenaO Nowadays many women (especially young girls) are confused regarding diet, because there is too much info all over the place, and people just don't know what and how to eat anymore. I've done the same thing, eating loads of fruit, raw food hype for a long period of time, feeling great (spiritually, physically, emotionally) - but on the long run, this kind of lifestyle has gotten me in some serious health issues, similar to yours.

The thing is, are bodies are wired differently, we come from different lifestyles, and while one 40 year old women who is already a mother may have long term benefits from eating only bananas and apples for breakfast, a girl in her 20's who is active all of the time, wants to be a mother one day, with a lot of things going on in her life, all affecting her hormone levels - adding loads of fruit (=carbs, sugar) in her diet will only spike her insuline levels which will lead to a hormonal imbalance. We need to stop listening to others and re-program our minds to listen to our bodies insted. But of course, first we need to be aware how our bodies, or in this case - hormones are functioning in different periods of our lifes, and be aware of what nutrients they need to function properly.

You cannot feel full because the fruit you eat is mostly water and sugar, that diagestes quickly, and you body horomones need calories from whole foods that won't spike your insuline to function properly. Mostly, they need vegetables, leafy greens, healthy fats and good quality protein so that you blood sugar levels don't go insane, because every time that happens, you'll start feeling hungry again. You don't have to cut off fruit from your diet, just try eating it in moderation and combining it with protein, nuts and seeds for example, because protein keeps your blood sugar normal. Also, if you are suffering from a hormonal imbalance, it is true that it would be good to eat LOW GI food in general.

For example, if you want to eat fruit, eat it WHOLE, not in a smoothie, because with making a smoothie, you are processing the food and the GI of the food goes up. Also, with every meal you eat, don't forget adding some protein and healthy fats. But the most important thing is to really listen to your body, whenever you are hungry eat. You can try reversing your diet with a candida cleanse diet, it can help with getting back on track.

That makes SENSE! I will look into the candida cleanse diet and also into low GI products. Thank you so much @Awomanaware ! And you are totally right. Because of these hormonal imbalances I am not even able to have kids at the moment. I am going through a hormonal therapy right now, taking pills every single day :/. I might be actually more prone to this than others, of course. It seems my body needs fat stored on my belly to be able to have any kids  Which is disgusting. But so it is... 

[Awomanaware]

@ElenaO you're welcome, I am in a similar situation, just not taking pills but some herbs. It's not disgusting, it's only disgusting when you compare yourself to other women with flat bellies, but in most cases, that kind of comparison leads to this kind of health issues. It took a long time for me to REALLY accept that my body is unique, and what may work for others can actually hurt me. But our minds can get brainwashed so easily, it's so amazing, you may think you are feeling great, almost like a placebo effect, but the hormonal system is so sensitive to changes, especially in women, and can give us some unexpected results after a while. Learning more in depth about our hormonal system and woman's reproductive system has helped me a lot. Everything will be fine, just takes some time for our hormones to get back on track, they need some good loving

[pluto]

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[Nahm]

Make a shake in the morning with this stuff, peanut butter, ice, a banana, and milk.. It's raw food, tastes great. Energy all day. You'll feel full for 8 hours. 

[ElenaO]

On 24/03/2017 at 2:27 PM, Michael569 said:

@ElenaO it's ok to get hungry after a while. The issue is to balance the blood sugar level. So have a small fruit snack once those cravings arrive. If you work, prepare not one large meal but few smaller meals including mix of fresh vegetables, protein and carbohydrates (ideally non-animal) and snack on it multiple times throughout the day. This is what many of us do who eat smaller amounts but more frequently. This way your insulin levels and level of blood glucose are going through a nice and stable curve, up and down like a sinusoidal curve instead of going from extreme to extreme. 

 

One more question if I may, Do you exercise? If so, how frequently and how vigorously? 

There have been studies published in book called "Spark" from JJ Ratey that physical exercise 5 days a week has a direct influence on your hormonal levels as well as your dopamine and serotonine levels.

Suggest you have a look at that book, it is amazing !

 

Somewhere I've heard (I believe it was on a TED talk about sugar) that we shouldn't get hungry when eating the "right food" only after two hours of having a meal. It was said that we should be good for 4-5 hours after eating. There's so many opinions on how we should feel that I am getting lost!

I do exercise. I recently had a surgery so my regular exercise routine was challenged. The minimum is 2 hours of intense workouts (cardio and/or strength) and walking during the day for around 2 km. Then I go swimming once a week too (750 m swims usually).
I will most definitely check out the book, thank you so much for suggesting!

Btw, I checked the canned beans contents and it seems it doesn't contain anything too bad. I think. I will list the contents tomorrow, it's mostly some antioxidants, salt and the beans.
 

[ElenaO]

7 hours ago, Nahm said:

Make a shake in the morning with this stuff, peanut butter, ice, a banana, and milk.. It's raw food, tastes great. Energy all day. You'll feel full for 8 hours. 

Milk and banana? And also peanut butter? For me personally that would definitely result in huge bloating  I could of course replace the bananas with something else, maybe cocoa? But that's also too stimulating I think. 

[Joel3102]

Eat more fats! Avocado, olive oil, coconut oil high fat nuts, greek yogurt ect

[ElenaO]

18 hours ago, Joel3102 said:

Eat more fats! Avocado, olive oil, coconut oil high fat nuts, greek yogurt ect

Fats make digestion harder. Although I have to agree that you have a point. The key is probably the balance. I don't want to eat too many fats either. And it's hard to know what is the right amount. 
Regarding nuts, they don't make me full at all! I've tried eating like 10, even 15 of them and their effect is minimal. Eating salmon has an immediate satiating effect, even though there's other side effects to it as @Michael569 already mentioned. Eating avocado also doesn't make me full (tried with eating one whole avocado). 

[ElenaO]

Regarding the canned beans. Here are the can contents: red kidney beans, water, sugar, salt, modified maize starch, antioxidant (ascorbic acid). 100 grams of the beans carry 111 kilocalories. 

[ElenaO]

@Michael569 Will do that, thanks for suggesting! Probably adding them to a salad is the easiest. Do you btw add any salt to them? The canned ones are salty, which is sure not healthy. However, it makes them that much tastier.

[Tibor]

On ‎27‎-‎3‎-‎2017 at 10:53 AM, Michael569 said:

@ElenaO  absorbic acid is the main component of 99% of vitamin C supplements, it is a synthetic antioxidant. So a lab-made component. Whether or not it is harmful over a long term, I have no idea. Google should be able to answer that question.

Btw this weekend, I made 800 grams of Beans ( raw not canned), which took around 12 hours out of which 11 and half was having them submerged in water(do it overnight + few extra hours) to soften and 30 minutes boiling. So this is might be a better alternative to save money, reduce waste and reduce your exposure to preservatives whether they are good or not  The good thing is that even if you boil just 200 grams it is still a huge portion, just store it in a container in your fridge and they are there for you to snack on whenever you feel like it. From here, just be creative, mix them with various foods like quinoa, couscous, vegetables, spices until you create few nice and cheap meals that you can carry around in your bag to snack on throughout the day. Not to mention legumes is an incredible source of protein and minerals as a post-workout fuel. 

 

As far as I know absorbic acid made by a lab is not the same as natural vitamin C because its impossible to make real vitamin c by a lab.

So it behaves in the body as vit c but is of no help for the body. Its like a placebo. Thats what I have read about it.

The highest vitmin c you can get is from Rose Hips. Its natures highest vitmin c producer.

For food I look for the food that has a high frequenty. Canned food has a frequenty of 1 to 20 Hz.

Our brain has a frequenty of 72 Hz the rest of the body is somewhat higher, all organs have a different frequenty.

So i find food which has at least 100 Hz or higher. Ginkgo biloba is one of the highest with a resonance of 280 Hz.

And a thing what can be done is put your intension on the food before you eat it and send it a feeling of love for 5 min. This raises the frequenty.

If you do this with water you can taste the differents.

[Tibor]

Just now, Michael569 said:

@Tibor interesting, 

Can you elaborate on the food frequency topic a little bit? What is it and why do you think it is important? 

y? 

 

The frequency of the food tell you if it is good for your body. The lower the frequency the lesser it contributes to your body.

I found a very detailed documentary on youtube about longtime ago when i was studying Dr Raymond Royal Rife and Dr hulda Clark.

They both kill bateria, virusus, flukes with a frequency generator. And among those documentaries there was an explanation about the frequenties of the humanbody and all of its organs. And about whats the best for the body from a freuency point of view.

Its like different thing with more or less an equal resonance atrack each other.

Its like how they make medicins, if you take a headache pill it kills your headache and not reumatisme for example.

The pills have alike frequency as the thiny muskels of the blood vessels in your head at the time of pain.

This called prion. Now to eat low resonating food it cost your body energy to raise that frequency and that is not the point of food. 

[ElenaO]

8 hours ago, Tibor said:

The frequency of the food tell you if it is good for your body. The lower the frequency the lesser it contributes to your body.

I found a very detailed documentary on youtube about longtime ago when i was studying Dr Raymond Royal Rife and Dr hulda Clark.

They both kill bateria, virusus, flukes with a frequency generator. And among those documentaries there was an explanation about the frequenties of the humanbody and all of its organs. And about whats the best for the body from a freuency point of view.

Its like different thing with more or less an equal resonance atrack each other.

Its like how they make medicins, if you take a headache pill it kills your headache and not reumatisme for example.

The pills have alike frequency as the thiny muskels of the blood vessels in your head at the time of pain.

This called prion. Now to eat low resonating food it cost your body energy to raise that frequency and that is not the point of food. 

Interesting, indeed. I've never heard of this before. Has there been done any actual scientific study on this matter?

[Tibor]

2 minutes ago, ElenaO said:

Interesting, indeed. I've never heard of this before. Has there been done any actual scientific study on this matter?

Yes there is done lot of scientific study on this, If you google or youtube it youll find it. But to get a full understanding of it it will take a few different researchers cause you have to find out what precieze is sinus and square waves and what they do. And the other site is what happens exacly on cellulair level. To say it easy, its the law of attraction which has a big part in this.

[pluto]

On 3/29/2017 at 2:29 PM, Tibor said:

As far as I know absorbic acid made by a lab is not the same as natural vitamin C because its impossible to make real vitamin c by a lab.

So it behaves in the body as vit c but is of no help for the body. Its like a placebo. Thats what I have read about it.

The highest vitmin c you can get is from Rose Hips. Its natures highest vitmin c producer.

For food I look for the food that has a high frequenty. Canned food has a frequenty of 1 to 20 Hz.

Our brain has a frequenty of 72 Hz the rest of the body is somewhat higher, all organs have a different frequenty.

So i find food which has at least 100 Hz or higher. Ginkgo biloba is one of the highest with a resonance of 280 Hz.

And a thing what can be done is put your intension on the food before you eat it and send it a feeling of love for 5 min. This raises the frequenty.

If you do this with water you can taste the differents.

That is very interesting, i feel great on ginkgo & gotu kola complex i use from time to time, puts me in a unique mind/body/spirit balance.

As for Vitamin C here are the top contenders known currently

Plant Sources of Vitamin C in order of content
Table from News Medical

Plant sourceAmount
(mg / 100g)

Kakadu plum 3100

Camu Camu 2800

Rose hip 2000

Acerola 1600

Seabuckthorn 695

Jujube 500

Indian gooseberry 445 (Alma i believe)

Baobab 400

Blackcurrant 200

Red pepper 190

Parsley 130

Guava 100

Kiwifruit 90

Broccoli 90

Loganberry 80

Redcurrant 80

Brussels sprouts 80

Wolfberry (Goji) 73 †

Lychee 70

Cloudberry 60

Elderberry 60

Persimmon 60

Papaya 60

Strawberry 60

Orange 50

Lemon 40

Yo Orange you okay? Hahaha so they say its a good source but compared to the real vitamin c foods its at the bottom of the list.

Also sprout your grains, seeds, vegetables and anything that can be sprouted will unlock great amounts of Vitamin C along with many other locked up nutrients depending on where they are grown amounts differ.

For more info on superfoods this is by far the best channel on youtube with well detailed videos on each superfood that most people don't even know about. https://www.youtube.com/user/SuperfoodEvolution

Edited March 30, 2017 by pluto