Being blissful 24/7

[Breakingthewall]

22 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

It’s totally fine to experience unhappiness. The separation and bias we augment onto the experience is what keeps us stuck in a loop of suffering. 

Do not conflate seperation and bias with SpongeBob 

I don't think so. any abstract unhappiness is a malfunction. Punctual unhappiness as a reaction to adversity is normal. unhappiness per se is mental illness. It must be solved completely, so that there is no trace left

[Water by the River]

21 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Well, the thing that's very difficult to understand is that for reality there is not crap. we as humans are pure bias. even if we try very hard, we are still bias. good karma, bad karma, etc. for reality seems that there is only existence. That thing about the horse is perfect for reality. 

(Manifest) Reality is also clearly biased: Despite the physical universe winding down towards more Entropy (or basically every energy/matter evenly mixed and distributed), on pretty much every other level it winds up: Evolution from atoms to molecules to bacteria to plants to animals to humans, from stoneage to larger neoltihic groups, to ancient states and empires, industrial age, information age, and onwards to a completely unforeseeable future. Upload to some subtle realms , infinite other dimensions to be explored, and all that stuff.

We are not walking on a planet where there have been 500 civilizations that all failed, blown themselves up in nuclear war, and started again in stone age. Such a game is possible, in which we would dig out ruins that we know nothing about, since they are the 462 restart of 4 millions years ago, where no informations have survived what happened but only some stone ruins. No, this here is the first try, and its still running fine and progressing with incredible speed.

Manifest Reality (from everything we see) is clearly biased to "winding up", towards evolution, more complexity, transcendence and love. Ken Wilber calls this drive/tendency of the Universe Eros. Reaching a level of complexity where it also can actually realize itself, happening a long time ago with the first Truly Nondual Realizers (Plotinus, Parmenidies, Nagarjuna, and so on).

Infinity/Unmanifest/Nothingness, Big Bang/Involution (see Wilber for Involution), Evolution, trip back home, and once more. The big game of hide and seek.

That (Eros, Evolution) is one aspect of reality. An other deep aspect is the unconditional love (Agape) that also runs through the fabric of reality, creating and sustaining all beings on every level. All of us, right here, right now, with incredible complexity.

I agree that for example the Assyrians in their attempt to build one of the first really large empires that encompassed many kingdoms and tribes were sometimes very cruel. Reality can not intervene in a physical universe and send some guardian angel from the sky. That would break the game immediately. But is that cruelty still in fashion? It is mostly frowned upon by nearly all people nowadays.

That cruelty is not the main tendency of reality. It is the complexity of evolution that sometimes goes sour, of separate beings sacrificing fellow beings for their "Atman-projects", building empires as surrogates for transcendence, as Ken Wilber calls it. And yet, as we see when we look back, these empires were necessary for a larger integration and unity, at least in certain ways.

Wilber, Up from Eden: A Transpersonal View of Human Evolution. I think you would like the book.

And you are also right in the following aspect: As we see, despite the Horror story, Absolute Reality didn't get broken. "IT" has no moving parts that could get broken. In that way, it didn't care, since it didn't suffer, only contained suffering.

That is the Absolute perspective. But when we consider it from a relative perspective (which we do as soon as we think about these events), we can also consider that most aspects and mechanisms of relative reality on the manifest/relative level in fact do wind up (not down), and in a way do care a lot that winding up, evolution, growth/development towards more love, or in general the way home, happens.

Water by the River  

Edited July 2, 2023 by Water by the River

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Water by the River said:

That cruelty is not the main tendency of reality.

3 hours ago, Yimpa said:

 

life is absolutely cruel. There is only one rule: survive. this implies evolving, increasing in complexity. Any means that serves this end will be used by life. cruelty is nothing, and suffering is nothing to life, mere means to an end. as you said, the evolution that is taking place is extremely fast, efficient, directed to an end, and it seems that extreme cruelty is not necessary for now. It could be said that it is only used if necessary, but are necessary since are engines of evolution. 

[Yimpa]

11 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It must be solved completely, so that there is no trace left

You must be dissolve completely, so that everything is left. 

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Yimpa said:

You must be dissolve completely, so that everything is left. 

Yes but it is not enough to dissolve your ego, then the old patterns come back. you have to understand them

[Moksha]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes but it is not enough to dissolve your ego, then the old patterns come back. you have to understand them

You don't dissolve mental patterns by using more mental patterns to understand them. That would be adding fuel to the fire.

Harmonization of the mind happens naturally when your awareness remains focused on the absolute light within.

[Yimpa]

4 hours ago, Moksha said:

You don't dissolve mental patterns by using more mental patterns to understand them. That would be adding fuel to the fire.

Harmonization of the mind happens naturally when your awareness remains focused on the absolute light within.

Heh, I just read this now.

It’s beyond logic how the mirror can mirror itself within the illusion. 

I’m glad “I” don’t have to figure it out 

 

[Moksha]

1 hour ago, Yimpa said:

It’s beyond logic how the mirror can mirror itself within the illusion. 

There's no limit to the levels you can explore within the dream. As a kid, I remember dreaming that I was dreaming that I was dreaming. It's like an endless hall of mirrors, each mirror reflecting the mirror in front of it, and projecting its reflection to the mirror behind.

No wonder awareness so easily loses itself within reflection. If you want to escape the mirror trap, stop reflecting.

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, Moksha said:

You don't dissolve mental patterns by using more mental patterns to understand them. That would be adding fuel to the fire.

You don't understand nothing using mental patterns. Understanding happens from the essence of what you are. like when you are a two year old and you learn to speak. understanding is a capacity of what you are

[Moksha]

25 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You don't understand nothing using mental patterns. Understanding happens from the essence of what you are. like when you are a two year old and you learn to speak. understanding is a capacity of what you are

"Harmonization of the mind happens naturally when your awareness remains focused on the absolute light within."

You seem to be agreeing with this, and if so why are you seeing direct realization as having anything to do with understanding your mental patterns? Enlightenment is letting go of mental patterns, because you no longer identify with them. You don't need to understand them to dissolve them, you just need to directly understand who you are.

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Moksha said:

Enlightenment is letting go of mental patterns, because you no longer identify with them. You don't need to understand them to dissolve them, you just need to directly understand who you are.

when you open yourself completely to the now, it gains limitless depth, you are, and there is nothing to understand. you are depth without limit, here and now. Existence. the learned mind cannot capture this, it must turn away. but later, you return to the learned mind, the well closes, reality loses depth, you are again skating on the surface, the ice sheet has returned. then the patterns come back. you have to understand them so they don't dominate you.

[Moksha]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

when you open yourself completely to the now, it gains limitless depth, you are, and there is nothing to understand. you are depth without limit, here and now. Existence. the learned mind cannot capture this, it must turn away. but later, you return to the learned mind, the well closes, reality loses depth, you are again skating on the surface, the ice sheet has returned. then the patterns come back. you have to understand them so they don't dominate you.

When you are open completely to the now, limitless, the patterns of the mind disappear. If they reappear later, the solution isn't to grab them, interrogate them, and try to understand them.

The solution is to return to the now, over and over again, until it becomes your default state of being.

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Moksha said:

The solution is to return to the now, over and over again, until it becomes your default state of being.

14 minutes ago, Moksha said:

 

Yes I agree, but I think it's necessary to understand. for me it is. if not, the patterns are irresistible. for me the path to openness is a path of understanding.

[Breakingthewall]

43 minutes ago, Moksha said:

The solution is to return to the now, over and over again, until it becomes your default state of being.

57 minutes ago, Moksha said:

 

Do you think that this state of flow is enlightenment right? the absence of ego, the mind without patterns. 

Leo here would say that you can go much deeper, to the understanding of the absolute. I think so too. Opening and flow without thought is not the same as the revelation of the infinite. the great mystery. The dance that flows from the infinity.  psychedelics cause more openness. But is it necessary? Or is it a compulsion?

Edited July 3, 2023 by Breakingthewall

[Moksha]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Do you think that this state of flow is enlightenment right? the absence of ego, the mind without patterns. 

Leo here would say that you can go much deeper, to the understanding of the absolute. I think so too. Opening and flow without thought is not the same as the revelation of the infinite. the great mystery. The dance that flows from the infinity.  psychedelics cause more openness

Yes, enlightenment is the perpetual absence of ego-identification. If you are moving into and out of the flow state, putting on the ego mask over and over again, you aren't enlightened. Trading the human mask for an alien mask doesn't make you any more enlightened.

Leo seems to believe that scuba diving into ever deeper levels of exotic identification is AWAKENING. It isn't. It is IMAGINING.

[Breakingthewall]

28 minutes ago, Moksha said:

Trading the human mask for an alien mask doesn't make you any more enlightened.

Leo seems to believe that scuba diving into ever deeper levels of exotic identification is AWAKENING. It isn't. It is IMAGINING.

Said in that way, yes, but maybe We dont understand what he is saying, because he does not explain it. maybe he means something different, that alien is a way of expressing... whatever. I don't think he is dumb to fall for those traps 

30 minutes ago, Moksha said:

you are moving into and out of the flow state, putting on the ego mask over and over again, you aren't enlightened

I'm not, just only being able to open up to the now longer and longer, but 90% of the time falling into the mind, sometimes unpleasantly. but every time I manage to get out of my mind, it's freedom. I try to do it daily, meditating, microdosing, whatever. It's something that goes little by little imo. the big difference is between never and sometimes.

on the other hand, there is another Thing: psychedelics. 5 meo dmt does something I want to master but find it difficult. the absolute void, and behind it, the revelation, the mystical experience. infinity manifesting without any obstacle. the unthinkable. on the other hand, be careful... it's a shortcut, something that must be used to educate the being that I am to really want the opening, to drink the cup of existence until the end

[Moksha]

19 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

every time I manage to get out of my mind, it's freedom

This is the only realization you truly need. Integrating the realization, to deeper and deeper levels, is the real work of enlightenment.