It's here — the dreaded Destiny and MrGirl bridge nuke

[Scholar]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

There is nothing wrong with asking rhetorical questions, certainly not in absentia ?

Is that so?

[Danioover9000]

@Scholar

14 minutes ago, Scholar said:

mrgirl is not claiming that Destiny is doing something illegal, he specifically is making a moral claim. If you were to insult your spouse all the time, that is not illegal, but that might constitute abuse. And mrgirl thinks if you publically demean someone with the amount of power Destiny holds while  secretly engaging with them sexually behind the scenes, that it constitutes sexual abuse.

 

mrgirl already made the case for why he thinks he is the best person to investigate this, he explained it in the orbiter interrogation stream.

 

Also: Nice Questatements.

   First of all, thank you for writing down the word 'questatements', is that how it's written?

   Yes, he has made his case for why he is the best person, although he then corrected himself by saying that his GF was the one who made the list, so maybe a deflection or obfuscation of responsibility, which is one common pattern for narcissists.

   Okay, so it's a moral claim rather than a legal claim he's trying to build a persuasive and convincing case, in his article, for why Destiny sexually abuses his power within his community, towards smaller orbiters, and to female users, some may have been dating Destiny prior.

   So, what is your take with the entire situation? And to Destiny and Mr. Girl? Do you think Destiny may be in the wrong?

[Danioover9000]

@Danioover9000 @Scholar @Carl-Richard

   One problem is that for me, Mr. Girl is a bit harder to read due to hoe he communicates, seems like I said in the past Mr. Girl is Narcissistic bit also part edgy, part empath and may have multiple personality disorder of a minor scale, due to how he talks and conducts himself generally in those videos. Whatever his stage of development, cognition, morality, personality typing, life experiences, and other lines of development it seems like he's intuiting a strange and weird dynamic, also because of his psychology background, that Destiny is abusing his open relationships as another way of generating drama and power projecting over potential female online streamers.

   Compared to Destiny though, he also is a harder read but in a different way. Because of his stage of development, cognitive and morality, personality type, state of being, life experiences and other lines of development and his worldview mostly consisting of him being a determinist, Nihilist, rationalist, atheist, hyper logical, neurotypical, autistic and having some degree of ADD, and his 12 and so years of arguing and debating and manipulating streamers that tried to take him down, he immediately went defensive and doubled down on this narrative that Mr. Girl is a rapist and pedophile scumbag while character assassinating those in his circle too, namely his GF and Lav, that could contact his entire social and family circle, even his own son Nathan!? Truly, Daddy of the year, bringing his 11 year old son as a shielding to straw man the hell out of Mr. Girl's character. SO FUCKING BRAVE!

   P.S. I like rap music, I listen to rappers, and this entire drama reminded me of the Tom Macdonald vs Mac Lethal. Mac Lethal tweeted at Tom Macdonald dissing his white people song, without naming him. That eventually lead to both making diss tracks at each other, and I remember in the first track, Tom was dissing Mac's parenting while being a rapper. Mac's rebuttal diss track flipped that and made it sound like Tom was directly dissing his daughter, but that's false because he only said 'his daughter' loosely referring to his child but really was attacking his parenting. Tom's second diss track was amazing overall, discrediting Mac's character as a Rapper, but also as a human being (OOF!), but honestly Tom could have been far more savage, in fact there was a savage flip and a few bars that I could have foreseen him doing, like "old ears, I attacked your parental guidance, kept it PG-13, so why you got to drag your 13-year-old daughter? Cannon fodder? Is that how much she is to you Papa? Cold weird mister, you the father of the year." something like that, and many more bars that would have been extra vicious.

   I stand corrected, Dest9iny is the bitch medusa: the mother of the year?????????????????????

Edited November 27, 2022 by Danioover9000

[Scholar]

2 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Scholar

   First of all, thank you for writing down the word 'questatements', is that how it's written?

   Yes, he has made his case for why he is the best person, although he then corrected himself by saying that his GF was the one who made the list, so maybe a deflection or obfuscation of responsibility, which is one common pattern for narcissists.

   Okay, so it's a moral claim rather than a legal claim he's trying to build a persuasive and convincing case, in his article, for why Destiny sexually abuses his power within his community, towards smaller orbiters, and to female users, some may have been dating Destiny prior.

   So, what is your take with the entire situation? And to Destiny and Mr. Girl? Do you think Destiny may be in the wrong?

Oh my, I don't know if I have the patience to communicate my entire take on this situation, there is a lot of nuance and insight you can gain from this. I think both Destiny and mrgirl are partially right and partially wrong about their analysis of each other and the situation, and this conflict has become a perfect illustration of the limitation of Tier 1 thinking, or lack of Tier 2 integration.

 

You can learn a lot about the mrgirls operating system, it's unique advantages as a lense, and the limitation in regards to how mrgirl's ego relates to that system. You can learn about the limitation of Destiny's charitability, and how it makes him resistant to genuinely novel perspectives. You can learn about the natural limitations and traps of significant intelligence and social competence. You can learn about ego attachments, how they relate to the mastery of skill and yet in the same manner to the handicap of that same skill.

In general you can learn a lot about self-deception. It's a goldmine of insight, because we are observing two highly intelligent minds resolving a conflict. It can teach you a lot about yourself.

I would have never thought, for example, that genuine charitability and steelmanning of other perspectives could lead you to being unable to see new perspectives, and that this dynamic might be worsened if you are more intelligent. That's counter intuitive, but I think if you have paid attention to Destiny from the beginning and how he interacted with mrgirl, this dynamic become very clear.

 

I am not as much interested in the game that is played, but rather the minds that are playing it. So that's the basic overview of some of the things I have focused on, I cannot go into detail with all of them because it would be too time consuming, but I can explore some if you have more questions.

[Carl-Richard]

40 minutes ago, Scholar said:

I am not as much interested in the game that is played, but rather the minds that are playing it.

I think the game that is being played is showing me yet again that the Twitch space is not a healthy space and that I should consider getting my entertainment from elsewhere. The moment somebody says "he is a manipulator", my brain just shuts down and starts overthinking and doubting everything. It's not a good state to be in. Just merely having someone plant the idea and reassert it while you keep engaging in the situation, is damaging. The best thing you can do is leave. Just because it's online and you're watching from the outside doesn't mean it's not damaging. It's just experienced through the frame of parasociality. It still has the same psychological effects. So yeah, I think I'm leaving this for now (the MrGirl drama specifically, and maybe all of Twitch at some point). I'll wait until the article comes out.

Edited November 27, 2022 by Carl-Richard

[Scholar]

42 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I think the game that is being played is showing me yet again that the Twitch space is not a healthy space and that I should consider getting my entertainment from elsewhere. The moment somebody says "he is a manipulator", my brain just shuts down and starts overthinking and doubting everything. It's not a good state to be in. Just merely having someone plant the idea and reassert it while you keep engaging in the situation, is damaging. The best thing you can do is leave. Just because it's online and you're watching from the outside doesn't mean it's not damaging. It's just experienced through the frame of parasociality. It still has the same psychological effects. So yeah, I think I'm leaving this for now (the MrGirl drama specifically, and maybe all of Twitch at some point). I'll wait until the article comes out.

The greatest challenge of the 21st century will be to grapple with the the effects machines have on us and the world. The internet is the wild west, and the harm it is doing to individual minds is unfathomable. We expect catastrophy to stem from war, climate change, disease. But in the end, it is possible that it will be our minds that will erode, until we are not longer capable of upholding civilization in the way we currently are.

All the lessons that will be learned, imagine how wise those who will persist are going to be, and how foolish we will look in contrast. So foolish, we could not even see the obvious coming. We will look like people who swam in their own feces, wasting our precious lifes away, doing nothing but seeking endless stimulation. And even those of us who knew it could not resist, because the machines had learned how to erode our resistance.

[Danioover9000]

@Scholar

5 minutes ago, Scholar said:

The greatest challenge of the 21st century will be to grapple with the the effects machines have on us and the world. The internet is the wild west, and the harm it is doing to individual minds is unfathomable. We expect catastrophy to stem from war, climate change, disease. But in the end, it is possible that it will be our minds that will erode, until we are not longer capable of upholding civilization in the way we currently are.

All the lessons that will be learned, imagine how wise those who will persist are going to be, and how foolish we will look in contrast. So foolish, we could not even see the obvious coming. We will look like people who swam in their own feces, wasting our precious lifes away, doing nothing but seeking endless stimulation. And even those of us who knew it could not resist, because the machines had learned how to erode our resistance.

   One thing I learned from BERSERK, a work of fiction and manga series by Kentaro Miura, is existentialism in the face of nihilism and cosmicism, so, even if in the future we face a Dystopian/Utopian nightmare of machine matrix and God like automatons of the cosmos, we still must strive forward pursuing our life purposes and meaningful lives.

[Scholar]

3 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Scholar

   One thing I learned from BERSERK, a work of fiction and manga series by Kentaro Miura, is existentialism in the face of nihilism and cosmicism, so, even if in the future we face a Dystopian/Utopian nightmare of machine matrix and God like automatons of the cosmos, we still must strive forward pursuing our life purposes and meaningful lives.

Imagine your original ancestor on earth, the first microbial life. Imagine all of it's descendents, as they evolved. As they started to feel and experience, to see and smell. When the first onced started walking on the earth. When forests began covering the earths, and your ancestors, every single one of them, was successful in reproducing. Imagine all of their struggles. Imagine all their suffering, all their love, all their fear, their happiness, their anger and hatred. All the adventures they lifed, all the 5 mass extinctions they survived, even the one that shook the earth and wiped out most dinosaurs.

Billions of years of struggle and suffering, all of that was experienced. Put that into perspective, how much death and misery that is, how life was merely survival, struggling to stay alive long enough to procreate.

And now imagine all those that failed at this task. All those who who went extinct, who did have no descendents. All the evolutionary pathways that lead nowhere, just so a few of them could go on.

 

Now, imagine all the worlds with life in this galaxy, and all the galaxies in this universe. This process of evolution, it is taking place in the same way in the entirety of the cosmos. Most planets will perish, so that a few can go one. And in the end, everyone will perish. Nobody will go on. The entire universe will disappear into nothing.

And beyond this universe, there are more universes. Infinite of them, all going through the same process. It could be that for this universe alone, it might take 1.7×10^106 years to perish, that's a number with 106 zeros.

And now imagine all this time blinking away in a second. In each universe, possibly millions or trillions of civilizations falling and rising. Imagine a multiverse, fillied with an endless number of blinks, like small fire crackers, each and every one of them them a universe being born and dying.

 

 

And that is still one infinitely small part of infinity. When you perish, like all your ancestors did, you will return to the beginning and end of it all. From there, you will realize that you have been all of it, and that you are going to be all of it, for all of eternity.

[Carl-Richard]

40 minutes ago, Scholar said:

The greatest challenge of the 21st century will be to grapple with the the effects machines have on us and the world. The internet is the wild west, and the harm it is doing to individual minds is unfathomable. We expect catastrophy to stem from war, climate change, disease. But in the end, it is possible that it will be our minds that will erode, until we are not longer capable of upholding civilization in the way we currently are.

I think watching something like ToE with Curt Jaimungal won't really erode your brain though ?

[Scholar]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

I think watching something like ToE with Curt Jaimungal won't really erode your brain though ?

 That's how the machines get you, everyone has a carrot.

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Scholar said:

 That's how the machines get you, everyone has a carrot.

Sure, the machines are inherently bad for our brains in some ways, but it also has us fully plugged in, so the wise choice is to dive into the rabbit hole and retrieve as many carrots as possible 

Edited November 27, 2022 by Carl-Richard

[Danioover9000]

   Another video from Destiny, slowly but surely getting serious...

 

[Danioover9000]

   Also, isn't Destiny a cuckold? If I'm not mistaken, he's currently in an open relationship, so he is a polyamorous guy, who's dating and is 'married' with Melina, who also is a poly and dates other men. So, what right does he have to judge Mr. Girl as a 'rapist', 'Pedophile' and 'Narcissist', when he himself had relationship difficulties with his first wife, and is getting cuckolded, a sexual deviant and autistic hyper logical and emotionally suppressed poly? This is a triple standard and not a double standard here, with triple the hypocrisy on Destiny's end.

[Danioover9000]

@KH2  But isn't he technically cuckolding himself? Isn't he using his open relationship poly relationship date and sex multiple partners as an excuse to cheat on his current GF/'wife' Melina? Wasn't he married previously married to someone and then got a divorce? Why was he divorced in the first place?

   Sorry Lex Fridman, you are a man in black and guinea pig to help us observe Desitny's faults and to show how much of a terrible human being he is:

   Bonus videos to help triangulate an intuitive speculation of this monster's character:

 

 

[Carl-Richard]

I'm gonna unfollow my own thread :>

[Danioover9000]

@Carl-Richard

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

I'm gonna unfollow my own thread :>

   I'm sorry for hijacking your own thread and derailing the flow and theme of this thread as my own. I think I'll take a few days off from the drama and settle down. So much material to study and learn from these two yet still am sugar high with all the recent events.

[Danioover9000]

@KH2

6 hours ago, KH2 said:

@Danioover9000 Lol I was just joking around and playing. I do respect Destiny, he's an inteligent guy and his life choices are his life choices

Obviously, I don't know details about his relationship situation nor do I care about it. But personally, I do not believe in open relationships outside of one man having multiple chicks. Anything else than that seems like BS to me

   Okay then, thank you for the clarification. To me, I'm a single statues guy, and it just seems weird to have open ended relationships, I don't know, it intuitively feels that there's so many excuses and justifications for bad behavior, sexism, misogyny, and other bad ideas behind a wall/shield of what Destiny would be saying "hey, 'I'm' just in these open relationships, 'I' like open relationships, 'my' preference is dating often, and it's not at all related to my divorce or bad experiences with 'my' puppy or getting fired from a casino or being a maid or 'my' first wife or anything BAKA, oh and I'm partly catholic, so 'I'm' going to hell because of that divorce, so, yeah, 'I'm' so smart, so intelligent, such a determinist, such a debater, with zero traumatic experiences, that 'I'm' dumb in a sophisticated way and 'I' also love to lie to myself too, BTW 'I'm' a sociopath but 'I' won't admit nor acknowledge it...BAKA!!!".?

Edited November 28, 2022 by Danioover9000

[Danioover9000]

   A bad faith interpretation of this video:

   Understandable given the narrative warfare, but nevertheless a distorted interpretation. What are your thoughts and feelings?

[Danioover9000]

   Interesting video:

 

[Danioover9000]

   What's going on between Destiny and Lex Fridman? Is Destiny trying to manipulate him?