The description of heaven in different religions

[Raptorsin7]

9 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

at least in christianity i can drink grape juice ? 

Is that in Lithuania? A restaurant or something?

[Salvijus]

@Raptorsin7 it's from heaven ? 

[SOUL]

@Salvijus  The explanation of Buddhism you use to suggest that only if you believe as Buddhists do and do as they do can you know they are right and others don't have the authority to question them being right is pretty much how Christianity and many other religions suggest theirs is.

This is in the imagination and that one believes is the truth which doesn't mean it is a universal truth for all.

[Salvijus]

@SOUL Christians say if u don't believe me you'll go to hell. Buddhism says, there is a stage of development where all doubts in dharma wanish. Until that point u need little bit of faith bc you're not smart enough to see the truth of it yet. That's very different then christianity imo.

I think it's pretty fair also.

Edited August 3, 2022 by Salvijus

[Raptorsin7]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

@SOUL Christians say if u don't believe me you'll go to hell. Buddhism says, there is a stage of development where all doubts in dharma wanish. Until that point u need little bit of faith bc you're not smart enough to see the truth of it.

I think it's pretty fair statement.

People can spend their whole life on the Buddhist path just waiting for that time where their doubt will be gone. Victims of the Dharma.

I think according to Jesus you are already in hell, and if you follow him then you can get out.

Edited August 3, 2022 by Raptorsin7

[Salvijus]

@Raptorsin7 you're trying so bad to put christianity above buddhism lol. In the end u don't know. And i don't know. Better not to take sides. Just be open, grow and enjoy both perspectives until u become wise enough to see that they are both equally valid. (I assume that's what happens when u become really concious, debatable)

Edited August 3, 2022 by Salvijus

[Raptorsin7]

@Salvijus Yeah, i am not saying I know for sure. But this is my instinct.

Maybe i'm wrong, but my instinct and intuition is telling me this for a reason.

@TJ Reeves once said that Christianity is true Buddhism. 

[SOUL]

@Salvijus The description of the 'reward-punishment' and I only use those words as a reference not as a 'truth' are different in different religions but the psychological mechanism is the same.

Not 'smart enough to see the truth'? That's the same demeaning attitude dogmatic zealots of many religions use... I suspect those are just your words and not Buddhist ways of referring to it but it doesn't change the point.

It's only in the imagination that one trusts it is true, that one believes it to be the truth. No hand waving away 'belief' either, that's exactly what it is, one trusts the perception one has in awareness, in the imagination that it is 'true'.

[Salvijus]

7 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

@TJ Reeves once said that Christianity is true Buddhism. 

He forgot to mention that it's just his opinion and he doesn't fully understand neither budhhism nor christianity

Edited August 3, 2022 by Salvijus

[Raptorsin7]

Just now, Salvijus said:

He forgot to mention that it's just his opinion and he doesn't really understand neither budhhism nor christianity

Everything is everyone's opinion.

You recommending me ACIM and Sadhguru was just an opinion and you don't really understand, but yet it was valuable.

Read his profile, whatever you think of him you can't deny he's accomplished more than 99% of people on this forum.

[Salvijus]

@SOUL i didn't get any of that. 

"not smart enough to recognize the wisdom" is just my sloppy framing of what was really sayed. 

[Salvijus]

@Raptorsin7 yea opinions are sometimes very close to being true and sometimes super far away from being true. We don't know how close tj revees's opinion was to truth but my personal opinion is very different then his.

Edited August 3, 2022 by Salvijus

[SOUL]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

@SOUL i didn't get any of that. 

"not smart enough to recognize the wisdom" is just my sloppy framing of what was really sayed. 

Well, your sloppy framing is continuing to slide...first it was "not smart enough to see the truth of it" and then it becomes "not smart enough to recognize the wisdom"...both seem a bit self righteous about ones own perception.

 

Again, to stay on the point I'm making it's just something that is in the imagination of the perceiver, there is no universal truth to it, it's a perception of personal truth.

[Salvijus]

7 hours ago, SOUL said:

Again, to stay on the point I'm making it's just something that is in the imagination of the perceiver, there is no universal truth to it, it's a perception of personal truth.

 

Aaa, okey. Now i got what u were trying to say.

But this is also just your opinion. My opinion is different. I think there are some things that are universally true to everyone. Like everyone seeks freedom. I think that's a universal statement applicable to everyone. Some are concious of this fact and some are not.

And that it takes a certain maturity and wisdom to recognize the authenticity of buddha's teaching. I think that's a fair statement too that could be universally true. It is definitely hard to see for a beginner why dissolution is the most liberating thing. I never would've understood it few years ago. Was too dumb.

Edited August 4, 2022 by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

@Loba In acim it is sayed the qualification for entering heaven is to be able to maintain holy instant throughout the day. The presence of love that Jesus can teach u, if u can maintain that 24/7. U become eligible for heaven. But probably by the time u reach that place, all your thoughts about suicide will be long gone, as it should ? 

Edited August 4, 2022 by Salvijus

[SOUL]

@Salvijus  My well being isn't limited by opinion, I'm not talking about opinion, it's the experience of well being not the story about story. Which is what opinion is about, something like 'freedom' or understanding someone's teaching or the social dynamics of it.

All of those things can become a distraction from well being and are replaced by the finite feelings of self justification through 'truth'. Genuine liberation transcends the conditional including the narratives we tell ourselves are true.

So the enjoyment someone may get from the different expressions of descriptions and understandings of mystical and spiritual experience can be fruit of the unconditional well being that transcends the story and is not dependent upon having the 'true' story.

 

Edited August 4, 2022 by SOUL

[Salvijus]

@SOUL i have no idea what that has to do with anything ? sorry i have a hard time understanding u.

But i don't think what u sayed disproves the statement: "to be able to see the truth of buddha's teachings, it takes a certain maturity in conciousness" i think it's a fair statement but u seem to dislike it and then write smth about it that i don't understand ? my bad.

[SOUL]

@Salvijus  I said no such thing, I'm not sure anymore that we're talking about the same thing.

Be well

Peace

[Salvijus]

@SOUL tcare

[Leo Gura]

Heaven is whatever you want it to be.

If you want to have sex with goats for a billion years while eating cheesecake and not getting fat, that will be your heaven.