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Leo and his behaviors and actions

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12 minutes ago, knakoo said:

From your perspective/understanding, being in a relationship and having sex with your partner as an expression of love is also a net loss ?

Theres more meta and or fundamental things: the being in a romantic (essentially discriminatory) relationship in the first place is a net loss. But honestly this type of discussion doesn't lead anywhere because it's an extremely hard truth to accept, like all truths, until you accept them, then you realize how much better it is. Thats the funny thing about truth, relatively it's hard to accept, but absolutely its the best thing for you, and you will ultimately understand that, but only after the fact. But like all truths, it's little at a time, the Ultimate Truths might be extremely hard to take right now, all at once, so go easy on yourself and step by step, if its true and real, it should pay fruits

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@wildflower your talking the distinction between enlightenment and embodiment.  They are two different things.  I'm awakened  l but I don't always embody Truth.  It ain't always easy when you have a powerful ego.  But it doesn't mean you can't be enlightened or be spiritually gifted as fuck or an intuition though the roof.

The older I get though I start to embody it more because it causes less suffering.   Selfishness is the cause of all suffering.


 

Wisdom.  Truth.  Love.

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2 hours ago, wildflower said:

I ask this without any prejudice or judgement at all, if you believe in what you say, are you embodying it fully, and if not why not? Like none of the theory or understanding is complex or complicated, right? It's just the actualizing and living in accordance to truth that seems the hard part. How are you coping with it?

Three points about that you should contemplate and grasp:

1) It is actually impossible for any finite form to embody the Infinite. So what you expect is actually prohibited at the metaphysical level. The physical body and the finite mind has MANY limits which you will never transcend without death.

2) What you understand about reality and self-actualization will far exceed your ability to embody. And this is not a bug but a feature.

3) Your need and attachment to embodiment is itself an ego attachment. If you had no ego, you would not give a fuck about embodiment of anything. You would just flow along with life. So, ironically, your desire for gurus to act perfectly is just an egoic projection which will fall away after some deep awakening.

Many of the things I talk about I don't and never will fully embody. Drop the perfectionism and just aim for improvement, not perfection.

And if you think that jerking off or watching porn contradicts spirituality or awakening, you really misunderstand spirituality and awakening.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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Personal development is very relevant, and this includes getting money, sex etc. 

leo emphasizes awakening AND development. 

Non-duality does not mean choosing only spirit, and forgetting form. both can be partaken of.

 Most people are too focused on form, mesmerized by it, and when it comes down to it, you should choose the harder, less sensuous path, to develop yourself. Yet, this doesn’t always have to be the case.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Three points about that you should contemplate and grasp:

1) It is actually impossible for any finite form to embody the Infinite. So what you expect is actually prohibited at the metaphysical level.

2) What you understanding about realize will far exceed your ability to embody. And this is not a bug but a feature.

3) Your need and attachment to embodiment is itself an ego attachment. If you have no ego, you would not give a fuck about embodiment of anything. You would just flow along with life.

Gotcha and agreed. 

1) Is the convergence here for not for one of us (which is simultaneously all of us), not to realize and embody this to the point it leads to a singularity and end of the duality?

2) See above, as in doesn't this road lead to a singularity or awakening as described in your 30 days of consciousness video

3) But embodiment really just means living in line with the truth, essentially, isn't that what all this is about in the first place? 

 

Addendum: when I use the word embodiment I mean the removal of hypocrisy, nothing more

Also, Im not in anyway shape or form judging or demonizing jerking off or watching porn in any capacity. But just opening a conversation to the fact it's ultimately causing suffering for all involved, so when you understand and accept it, why do it? I want to be super clear: I don't care if you jerk off or not it doesnt alter my perception of you, just having a conversation

Or let me put it this way: if you stop doing it, your life should improve, as your becoming less selfish, and closer to realizing love and God

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30 minutes ago, wildflower said:

Gotcha and agreed. 

1) Is the convergence here for not for one of us (which is simultaneously all of us), not to realize and embody this to the point it leads to a singularity and end of the duality?

2) See above, as in doesn't this road lead to a singularity or awakening as described in your 30 days of consciousness video

3) But embodiment really just means living in line with the truth, essentially, isn't that what all this is about in the first place?

But what you don't fathom yet is that Truth is infinite, and therefore it can be any which way.

If you murder a puppy, that is Truth, and so there is no problem from the Absolute POV. The problem only exists in your finite mind.

Truth does not mean that you act like a saint all the time. That's not Truth, that's an egoic fantasy that obscures the radical nature of Truth: which includes warts and all, not just the rainbows and butterflies.

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Addendum: when I use the word embodiment I mean the removal of hypocrisy, nothing more

But hypocrisy is part of reality and therefore Truth.

Why are you trying to resist hypocrisy? Can you see how you've made a shadow of it?

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Also, Im not in anyway shape or form judging or demonizing jerking off or watching porn in any capacity. But just opening a conversation to the fact it's ultimately causing suffering for all involved, so when you understand and accept it, why do it? I want to be super clear: I don't care if you jerk off or not it doesnt alter my perception of you, just having a conversation

1) Why do you assume it causes suffering?

2) By your logic, all of life is suffering for all involved.

The desire to avoid suffering is itself problematic and selfish.

If God really cared to avoid all suffering, God would not have created any living entities.

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Or let me put it this way: if you stop doing it, your life should improve, as your becoming less selfish, and closer to realizing love and God

Your ideas are way too simplistic.

Have you ever considered that if you truly loved yourself you would jerk off without guilt or suffering and life would be just dandy?

Maybe try it sometime.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But what you don't fathom yet is that Truth is infinite, and therefore it can be any which way.

If you murder a puppy, that is Truth, and so there is no problem from the Absolute POV. The problem only exists in your finite mind.

Truth does not mean that you act like a saint all the time. That's not Truth, that's an egoic fantasy that obscure the radical nature of Truth: which includes warts and all, not just the rainbows and butterflies.

But hypocrisy is part of reality and therefore Truth.

Why are trying to resist hypocrisy? Can you see how you've made a shadow of it?

1) Why do you assume it causes suffering?

2) By your logic, all of life is suffering for all involved.

The desire to avoid suffering is itself problematic and selfish.

Your ideas are way too simplistic.

Have you ever considered that if you truly loved yourself you would jerk off without guilt or suffering and life would be just dandy?

Maybe try it sometime.

Okay no problem, can I ask you, should one try to become more loving and selfless in life? Or is this trying to become more loving and selfless an egoic act that is problematic? 

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21 minutes ago, wildflower said:

Okay no problem, can I ask you, should one try to become more loving and selfless in life? Or is this trying to become more loving and selfless an egoic act that is problematic? 

It's very tricky because it's the ego that is trying. And the ego is evil. So when the ego tries to be good, selfless, and loving, it ends up creating much evil.

The best way to become more selfless and loving is to awaken to Truth and realize the ego is false. Then selflessness and love happen automatically, and without that, selflessness and love are nearly impossible.

The effort you want to put into being good would be better placed in realizing the ego is a fiction.

Being Good is not something you do. It's what you realize reality has always once the ego is annihilated.

Badness is not in the world or in the actions of humans. Badness IS literally your sense of finite self.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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Like when he says being awakened is thousand times better than sex or something along those lines

and then he says infiniti is nothing which is absolute nihilism , emptiness

I prefer x1000 sex than nothingness 

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6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's very tricky because it's the ego that is trying. And the ego is evil. So when the ego tries to be good, selfless, and loving, it ends up creating much evil.

The best way to become more selfless and loving is to awaken to Truth and realize the ego is false. Then selflessness and love happen automatically, and without that, selflessness and love are nearly impossible.

The effort you want to put into being good would be better placed in realizing the ego is a fiction.

Can you give me context for the first part please, if I sit down close my eyes and wish that Leo is loved, happy, safe and peaceful - this is creating much evil?

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6 minutes ago, wildflower said:

Can you give me context for the first part please, if I sit down close my eyes and wish that Leo is loved, happy, safe and peaceful - this is creating much evil?

You can do that, and it's mostly okay.

But if one day you learn that Leo murders puppies for fun, you will get all butt-hurt and judgmental that Leo did not live up to your prayers. And this is YOU creating evil, not Leo. See, you are very judgmental. And judgment is a form of evil.

If you want a pray properly, pray something like this: "Dear God, let me see all the evil in the world as Good and not need it to be any other way than exactly how it is."

But this is impossible to do unless you have no self.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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Just now, Leo Gura said:

You can do that, and it's mostly okay.

But if one day you learn that Leo murders puppies for fun, you will get all butt-hurt and judgmental that Leo did not live up to your prayers. And this is YOU creating evil, not Leo.

No, I will still wish Leo is loved, happy, safe and peaceful , 

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1 minute ago, wildflower said:

No, I will still wish Leo is loved, happy, safe and peaceful , 

Haha, that's a cute story you tell yourself.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Haha, that's a cute story you tell yourself.

Why is that not true, I can sit down and wish this for anyone in the world whos alive whos commited what we are classing as an atrocity

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10 minutes ago, wildflower said:

Why is that not true, I can sit down and wish this for anyone in the world whos alive whos commited what we are classing as an atrocity

Your capacity for Love is directly proportional to your degree of consciousness. This is not something you can fake with wishful thinking.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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43 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But what you don't fathom yet is that Truth is infinite, and therefore it can be any which way.

If you murder a puppy, that is Truth, and so there is no problem from the Absolute POV. The problem only exists in your finite mind.

Truth does not mean that you act like a saint all the time. That's not Truth, that's an egoic fantasy that obscures the radical nature of Truth: which includes warts and all, not just the rainbows and butterflies.

 

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But if one day you learn that Leo murders puppies for fun, you will get all butt-hurt and judgmental that Leo did not live up to your prayers. And this is YOU creating evil, not Leo. See, you are very judgmental. And judgment is a form of evil.

If you want a pray properly, pray something like this: "Dear God, let me see all the evil in the world as Good and not need it to be any other way than exactly how it is."

@Leo Gura Do you mean that since there is only one consciousness, "other people" doing what I see as evil shit is just one thing? Like a screen is one thing not the different words and shapes and colors. So if they do evil shit or good shit there's no difference because it's one thing and I am projecting evil onto them? So I am creating evil by thinking evil

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17 minutes ago, wildflower said:
15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You can do that, and it's mostly okay.

But if one day you learn that Leo murders puppies for fun, you will get all butt-hurt and judgmental that Leo did not live up to your prayers. And this is YOU creating evil, not Leo. See, you are very judgmental. And judgment is a form of evil.

If you want a pray properly, pray something like this: "Dear God, let me see all the evil in the world as Good and not need it to be any other way than exactly how it is."

But this is impossible to do unless you have no self.

I get it, so a good exercise to realize God’s love would be to incarnate as someone who gets completely abused by another one, have his whole life ruined by it, go through hell because of it and do not be judgemental about it ? Maybe that’s what the most enlightened masters have done in past life ? Maybe that’s why they are so loving ? 

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1 minute ago, Juliano Zn said:

 

@Leo Gura Do you mean that since there is only one consciousness, "other people" doing what I see as evil shit is just one thing? Like a screen is one thing not the different words and shapes and colors. So if they do evil shit or good shit there's no difference because it's one thing and I am projecting evil onto them? So I am creating evil by thinking evil

There is no such thing as evil. Period. The only thing that can exist is Absolute Good. Everything that exists is Absolute Good. And if you think otherwise, that's ego.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Your capacity for Love is directly proportional to your degree of consciousness. This is not something you can fake with wishful thinking.

Agreed, but that in and of itself doesn't inhibit me from forgiving any one atrocity does it, just means I'm conscious enough to realize the truth that the 'person' who committed the atrocity couldn't have been any other way, there's no one to forgive, and any blame could that could even exist it would lie on the universe itself

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@wildflower Nothing prevents you but yourself.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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