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Leo, have you done no-fap?

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1 hour ago, Harlen Kelly said:

You should not be ''retaining'' semen at that age, that can be potentially damaging.

Damaging in what way? 


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@Osaid

2 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Damaging in what way? 

   A few possibilities; it is damaging because the perennial muscles that contract to ejaculate sperm tightens gradually, it is damaging because there is sexual repression, and it is damaging because you are conditioning yourself in the wrong time. 

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8 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

it is damaging because the perennial muscles that contract to ejaculate sperm tightens gradually

Interesting, didn't consider that

9 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

it is damaging because there is sexual repression, and it is damaging because you are conditioning yourself in the wrong time. 

True


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   I'm actually curious on why would Leo allow people from no fap, or people who are felibate here, when he himself shown little interest in such movements? If he's not going to try it out, and report back, why let people here just talk about it?

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@Peter Miklis i used to think the same way. In fact it was my heavy religious upbringing that helped create my porn addiction starting in my early teens.. The act of masturbation itself is not bad. In fact in many ways its healthy when done the right way. Its natural. However, porn can cause alot of psychological problems when one is addicted. This isnt comming from a moral standpoint but rather based off of recent studies on the human brain. Tube sites were created in the late 2000s and since then the amount of young people claiming to struggle with erectyle dysfunction has sky rocketed. The problem with porn is that it release insane amounts of dopmine, more so today because of unlimited access to HD porn at the click of a button. In the past, the only pornographic material available was through magazines and adult video stores. It was alot more difficult to become addicted... Now we have access to it whenever we want, wherever we want and its totally free. Sexual energy is one of the most powerful sources of energy we have available to us. So when we are constantly wasting it to porn and jerking off multiple times a day, over time, it can cause depression, social anxiety, lack of focus, energy, and lack of creativity. People in the nofap community simply take it too far and become religious about it and obstain from sex completely and avoid ejaculation for weeks/months or even years at a time which is completely rediculous.. Porn is the problem, not sex or masturbation. Porn makes you obsess over sex to the point where it become more difficult to get shit done like starting a successful business or just being creative in general. Sexual energy IS creative energy. This energy is what gives a man his confidence and charisma/charm. Its what gives men the ability to attract sexual partners in real life... when i was addicted to porn i was so socially anxious that i had trouble making eye contact. I became incredibly awkward around women and felt like an overly emotional little bitch. On top of that my dick stopped working. I stopped pursuing women out of fear of not being able to perform. I slowly became an incel not because i wasnt physically attractive, women tell me all the time how good looking i am, but they would get turned off because of how awkward i was. I became depressed and suicidal because i couldnt figure out what the problem was. Then i realized i was completely addicted to porn since i was around 14. Jerking off multiple times a day and binging porn tube sites for hours a time... After i quit, which took me around 2 years of relapsing i finally started getting noticed by women again. My testosterone levels began to skyrocket amd women couldnt resist my energy. Ive been getting choosing signals left and right especially at the gym. Prolonged eye contact and staring. Checking themselves out in the mirror right next to me so i notice and approach them. It feels surreal because for so long i just thought i had no luck with women when all along it had to do with severe porn addiction.. It just made me awkward, depressed, and emascualted. Sure, there are some people who can watch in moderation and thats great, but for me i couldnt. Giving up porn has changed my life.. Masturbation isnt necessarily a problem when done in a healthy way. By that i mean fantasizing over past sexual experiences. And not jerking off multiple times a week. Nofap and abstaining from all sexaul stimulation is a little over the top, but theres no denying that Porn is a huge problem. Theres a reason why so many people are struggeling with depression more now than ever before. 

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@Peter Miklis 

right. So you agree with the nofap movement which is essentially practicing non-attachment to porn and/or masturbation.

I'll side with the nofap camp here. Porn and masturbation are not high conscious activities nor aligned with high conscious values such as wisdom, self-control, and observing present moment. It invites players to engage in fantasy and delusion not realize and be with God lol.

 

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8 hours ago, dflores321 said:

Nothing wrong with porn, just a waste of energy imo.

But hey, I waste energy on other things. Just choose your poison carefully :). 

I have to disagree. Ethically speaking, there is a lot wrong with porn. Of course the level of wrongness is a spectrum like anything else. But many individuals in the industry are exploited, have poor mental health, and poor personal development. Which became clear to me with documentaries such as “Hot Girls Wanted”

You’d be cool with your mom, daughter, sister, your lady friend doing porn? That’s self-actualized? Just something to contemplate. 

7 hours ago, Harlen Kelly said:

@SgtPepper Is taking a dump or taking a nap a high conscious activity? If not, why do you do them?

Taking a dump and taking a nap are different. They happen naturally, like literally babies do it. Under limited circumstances such as solitary confinement or being stuck in a jungle, you’d still do it. Even if you tried to hold in your poop or stay awake your body will let go, which is what nocturnal emission is like. Totally natural. You can be wakeful during these moments, besides napping lol. 

Jerking off to porn is an intentional act. And you need exploited women and the industry to do it. Not to mention that the videos are an illusion, and by engaging you subvert your own wakefulness.

Also if it were as natural and universal as taking a dump or taking a nap, why do individuals keep it secret? I don’t imagine you have lotion and tissues for your guest to jerk off in your bathroom or porn playing when your mom and dad come over.

Okay, so what about jerking off without porn? The problem is, in my experience, you have to play out a scenario and fantasy in your mind which involves more delusion and self-deception, you have to again subvert your wakefulness. Do you have to do this to take a dump or to nap? I do not. 

I dont wish for others to take my comment as an absolute though. It is my perspective right now, I can see that others have a more loose perspective and I understand why, but I find a lot of value in the practice.

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@SgtPepper Why do you think humans become more sexually open as they become more psychologically developed? For example if you study the least developed countries, you will notice that these countries neurotically suppress their sexuality, on the other hand, the most developed countries in Europe are the most sexually liberated countries (countries with the highest human development index). 

As you can see, humans tend to become more sexually open as they become more developed, not the other way around. Why is that?

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12 hours ago, Harlen Kelly said:

@SgtPepper Why do you think humans become more sexually open as they become more psychologically developed? For example if you study the least developed countries, you will notice that these countries neurotically suppress their sexuality, on the other hand, the most developed countries in Europe are the most sexually liberated countries (countries with the highest human development index). 

As you can see, humans tend to become more sexually open as they become more developed, not the other way around. Why is that?

How would you define sexually open? and do you have any articles about this?

I am European-American, so in my experience, people in Europe follow traditional family values, which I believe contributes to a healthy society. Perhaps they are more sexually open with their partner which is good!, but people in Europe are not having poly relationships.

People are becoming open about their sexuality in terms of LGBT.

Let's say that people are more sexually liberated in Europe, there is also higher divorce rates in western nations which indirectly causes trauma so it doesn't necessarily mean something good is happening if people are being sexually "liberated"

Overall, I am just not sure how the sexual liberation movement, which I agree with, necessary means that porn and masturbation is healthy for an individual or a relationship. In addition, aren't Arab countries like Saudis the highest consumers of porn? so wouldn't that mean that less developed countries consume more porn? 

Plus if you are psychologically developed why would you engage in unethical media such as porn? wouldn't it make more sense to develop a relationship with a person to make love? 

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@SgtPepper Porn is banned in most Arab countries. You are very deep and deluded into the nofap movement, I don't think I will be able to get you out of it. 

One day you will realize that sexual repression is indicative of a low level of psychological development, it does not work, most men who are obsessed with it are simply having a neurotic overreaction due to their lack of options with women, and most men who are already successful with the opposite sex are not doing mental jerk offs about how unethical porn or masturbation is. 

But anyways, I hope it works out for you (spoiler alert, it won't because sexual repression does not lead to consciousness). 

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10 minutes ago, Harlen Kelly said:

@SgtPepper Porn is banned in most Arab countries. You are very deep and deluded into the nofap movement, I don't think I will be able to get you out of it. 

One day you will realize that sexual repression is indicative of a low level of psychological development, it does not work, most men who are obsessed with it are simply having a neurotic overreaction due to their lack of options with women, and most men who are already successful with the opposite sex are not doing mental jerk offs about how unethical porn or masturbation is. 

But anyways, I hope it works out for you (spoiler alert, it won't because sexual repression does not lead to consciousness). 

I am not doing any of the things you say, I am simply conscious of the harm and limitations of porn and masturbation. 

Most of what you said, could be used to rationalize any bad habit. Overcoming cravings is not a bad thing and giving into them is the sign of low level of psychological development and weakness. Why do you want to be a weak man? women don't go for weak men. 

Actually man, porn usage is indicative of your lack of options (unless somehow you prefer videos over a real woman), avoidance of organic relationships, and socialization with women. It's also in an indication of your neediness and lack of ability to stay whole with yourself. 

Don't confuse what I am talking about with actually developing relationships with women. 

I am not sexually repressed, I have hot amazing sex on a weekly basis lol. 

Living life without integrity/principles/values is low level of psychological development and you may or may not realize that, but it doesn't matter cause it's a dream, so play out the dream the way you want. 

How come you never answered the questions I posed? 

You’d be cool with your mom, daughter, sister, your lady friend doing porn? That’s self-actualized?

You're alright with women being exploited? who is ultimately You? 

 

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Posted (edited)

10 minutes ago, SgtPepper said:

How come you never answered the questions I posed? 

1 - You’d be cool with your mom, daughter, sister, your lady friend doing porn? That’s self-actualized?

2 - You're alright with women being exploited? who is ultimately You? 

 

1 - I would not have an issue with it because I don't have a neurotic relationship with sex or porn. 

2 - Open your mind to the possibility that a significant percentage of women do porn because they want to do porn, and not because they are being exploited. That's some mental gymnastics you made up to vilify porn. 

Your attitudes towards sex, masturbation and porn, and the attitudes of a religious fudamentalist towards sex, masturbation and porn are very similar. 

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@Peter Miklis You have arrived to a healthy and holistic perspective of porn. There are excesses in porn, does not mean that you vilify the entirety of porn. Doing so would create a fragmentation and denial of the innate desires humans have for sexual expressions. 

 

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23 hours ago, Peter Miklis said:

@SgtPepper Tbh, the only problem I see with porn is the unetical, dark side of porn industry. All kinds of shady shit going on there, but most amateur porn I'd say is fine.

I now tend to think of porn as food. You can have good healthy food, you can also have shitty junk food. There's a lot of depraved perverted shit on the internet, but also some beautiful porn, which I'd even label as art.

Some videos are so beautifully made that I can just enjoy them without the need to touch myself.

I agree with this. 

And at the same time, my mind feels better letting go of all porn and saving sexual intimacy as something to be shared with someone. Once we record it, we turn into it something else, it can become vain.

On 5/26/2021 at 0:27 PM, Harlen Kelly said:

1 - I would not have an issue with it because I don't have a neurotic relationship with sex or porn. 

2 - Open your mind to the possibility that a significant percentage of women do porn because they want to do porn, and not because they are being exploited. That's some mental gymnastics you made up to vilify porn. 

Your attitudes towards sex, masturbation and porn, and the attitudes of a religious fudamentalist towards sex, masturbation and porn are very similar. 

Fair enough. -_-

You are correct to say that I am religious. 

Glad I had this discussion with you guys as it gives me more to contemplate with. :)

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On 16/5/2021 at 0:44 PM, Leo Gura said:

Your understanding of how semen works is silly.

Your semen will be expelled from your body within a week or two if you don't ejaculate it out. It will come out in your urine.

Semen is a LIVE and precious substance. You do not get to keep a batch of semen brewing in your nuts for a lifetime, Lol.

Apes and monkeys jerk off on a daily basis. Nothing unnatural about it.

What's truly unnatural is you not busting your nuts for years. And it's almost certainly bad for your health.

The idea that ejaculation is bad for your health is absurd. You are basically a sex machine. Ejaculation is what you were born for.

You would be better off if you just owned your sexuality.

So far, based on what I've read, you've not supporting any nofap/semen retention practice.

I know you've changed your mind in the past on several issues, such as fish due to the heavy metals, and as such I was wondering to what extent you explored the whole semen retention subject ?

While massive amount of people have been wrong before, there is a lot of anecdotical evidence for nofap as well as some different semen rentention/celibacy/energy conservation tradition such as found within Taoism and Yoga.

Are you voicing your concerns so that your followers don't go into sexual repression while they should work themselves up the spiral and meet their sexual needs to transcend them ? Or are all of the semen retention/nofap claims at a very high level pretty much groundless and such a practice yeilds almost no benefits besides perhaps a brief placebo ?

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I did nofap for 8 months when I was a teen. It made me awseome at my hobbies. Now I can't do no fap even for a day. I think in some months when I will be ready for another ride I will start no fap again so I concentrate on creativity and existence. Don't know if it lowers or raises the results of what I want to do but if I remember right it actually helped me but it created a lot of suffering. It's like preparing for a marathon, if you aren't ready to do it and your mind is in thousand places it won't work, you gonna fap in 1 week or month if you make titanic try. But if you have only some things that you do in your life, then you are going to be able to hold it for a long time. Is it good though? I don't know anymore. I will test it again.

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