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The evolution of sexuality

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This is something I learnt from Osho. There are four stages of sexuality that each person goes through. These are: Autosexuality, homosexuality, heterosexuality and finally transcendent. The first sexuality we experience is an attraction towards ourselves, then we experience an attraction towards the same gender, then to the opposite gender and finally we transcend sexuality all together. 
 

I wonder if people remember when they were autosexuals and homosexuals. Most people move past those stages to the heterosexual stage, but some people get stuck on the homosexual stage. Only a few people move past the heterosexual stage to the transcendent stage.


"Wanting keeps me from the awareness I already have it. I already am it.” — Byron Katie

 

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Osho, The Secret of Secrets, Volume 2, Chapter 15

I can't relate to how this would manifest in a lower developed countries. There's a lot of references to lower stage development phenomena in that text. 

According to this it would be the boundaries that are created between groups of girls/women and boys/men that brings about that second "homosexual stage". Such boundaries do not exist in the Western world [using Sweden as my reference] , there are no separation between boys and girls apart from dressing rooms/showers, nor is homosexuality discouraged or demonized in any way, it is almost the opposite, revered and respected. 

I can stretch towards imagining that where taboos are created, expression finds ways that are not the default expressions, while not implying homosexuality being unhealthy in any way, instead liking it with e.g. the origin/cause of the Japaneese tentacle porn phenomenon emerging from the taboos created around porn. Repression is paradoxically enforcing expression towards becoming "creative" in the taboo arena. 

All speculation of course, thinking out loud here. 

I'm interpreting this as such circumstances where the boy-girl interaction are not being hindered and homosexuality not demonized, passning through that second stage to the third would be more or less seemless (?) 

  "If the child is allowed the natural phase of autosexuality, he moves on his own to the second phase,
the homosexual – but very few people move to the second phase. The majority remain with the first
phase." 

At the same time it is implied that most people never move past the autosexual first stage and remain self-centered around masturbation and having sex with an opposite sex partner is essentially just two people masturbating in a shared act, thus self-centered around their own pleasure and not truly interested in the pleasure of the partner - autosexual. 

A lot of people are stuck here for sure, this resonates.

What seems confusing is why you would be drawn to same sex due to the vast difference between male and female where the homosexuality offer a well known arena, while it seems more plausible that the opposite would attract through curiosity. The mere knowledge of how to pleasure a same sex partner through the understanding of sexual preferences and how the same sex mind works seem like weak reasons to becoming homosexual or having a hidden homosexual side. Nor does it seem relevant that you would have to pass through a homosexual phase to become truly hetrosexual on a deeper connection basis.

Maybe it is more metaphorical. 

Interesting theory nontheless. 

@How to be wise What's your deeper understanding of this? 

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@Eph75 I actually got this from another book of his, namely Sufis the people of the path.

I certainly remember a time in middle school when I was attracted to some boys in my class. I always thought it was because, in middle school, the boys aren’t very different to girls. It’s only after they become more muscular, and grow facial hair that there is a big difference between boys and girls. But after I heard Osho, I thought maybe I was going through the homosexual phase. My ‘homosexual phase’ ended when the boys my age started growing facial hair and became muscular. After that, I was only attracted to girls. So my journey certainly supports his model.

 


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THAT'S ENTIRELY WRONG!

I've never been homosexual and will never be, just like gays who are free to be proud of themselves, I'm also proud of bein' straight.  so that statement doesn't apply to everyone!

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1 minute ago, hamedsf said:

THAT'S ENTIRELY WRONG!

I've never been homosexual and will never be

Hey, stay open-minded :D

 

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1 hour ago, Eph75 said:

Hey, stay open-minded :D

 

you might as well stay open to my filtration policy. ?


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3 hours ago, hamedsf said:

I've never been homosexual

What if you passed through the homosexual phase when you were so young that you don’t remember it. Perhaps in early elementary school.


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If I am not wrong, Osho did not actually write most of the books. Most of his books are Tran-scripts from all his talks.

Osho is an intelligent who left behind many videos and books for us.

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2 hours ago, hyruga said:

If I am not wrong, Osho did not actually write most of the books. Most of his books are Tran-scripts from all his talks.

Osho is an intelligent who left behind many videos and books for us.

‘Sufis the people of the path’ was a series of lectures that was later transcribed into a book. He said it first, then somebody wrote it down.


"Wanting keeps me from the awareness I already have it. I already am it.” — Byron Katie

 

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5 hours ago, How to be wise said:

What if you passed through the homosexual phase when you were so young that you don’t remember it. Perhaps in early elementary school.

@How to be wise why you guys are emphasizing on my potentiality of homosexuality ?


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just because osho or any other spiritual authority says something doesn't mean it's right. the spiritual authority begins within me first.


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33 minutes ago, hamedsf said:

@How to be wise why you guys are emphasizing on my potentiality of homosexuality ?

Your photo looks good.


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12 hours ago, How to be wise said:

Your photo looks good.

THANKS MAN! 


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