what is godhead consciousness?

[OctagonOctopus]

@Nahm

Does anything exist absent of you saying it does? 

@Conscious life

Morality is relative, and all is impermanent. Change is a constant so in order to remain aware & present principles and codes need to be flexable.

[Nahm]

1 hour ago, Conscious life said:

you can't be

Indeed. 

Does the devil, the zen devil, or zen devilry exist, absent of you saying it does?

[Guest SirVladimir]

1 hour ago, Conscious life said:

you can't be free from Zen devilry or devilry, whatever you call it.

Absolutely nailed it, man. You've given yourself a wonderful advice: Now just become no one, and you'll be free. 

[kbone]

1 hour ago, StarStruck said:

Yes. I still believe in the self. On a regular base I get flashbacks to my childhood traumas. It is a huge problem in my day to day life. Most of the time I'm in a dissociative state (according to my therapist).

I become an observer instead of a participant.  This was like 7 years ago. I tried to recreate it but without success. I even took various kinds of psychedelics but I freaked out because of my ego problems such as being a failure in my life.

Your honesty is refreshing, as is your willingness to search and be open.

Relatively speaking, I would say that serious trauma can create very "hard boundaries", so be gentle in the approach. Your psyche has had enough of the "hard school", perhaps. I do not take trauma lightly when I sense someone n the throes of that kind of suffering.

The insight you realized sounds like it was an important taste, and you are at least experientially aware of the "jolt of freedom" experienced. And sure, the mind character, interestingly, wants "more" as the feeling held in memory surpassed any form of induced high that one might have felt - acausal realizations are more powerful and, therefore, grounding that the induced psychedelic ones. Yeah, going into that sort of atmosphere with too much unresolved baggage and without proper guide/support can be a bit too much for the psyche, as well.

Question: Which of the following is harder on you psychologically:

1. Feeling trapped in the persona, not able to accept beauty and love into life... or perhaps not feeling worthy of it.
2. Feeling anxiety toward the character/events in childhood  that perpetrated the trauma.... not able to forgive, wanting to blame.
3. The obvious combination of both, and more...

You might even start another thread if you want to explore it. If not, I completely understand. Sometimes, it is good to reach out for ideas to jostle around and loosen up some paths to explore. At other times, a little time in the cocoon can be just what is needed. All depends on how you sense you want to proceed.

Just keep in mind that, for the most part, you are not here to take on a bunch of extra knowledge and practices, though they indeed might come as part of the journey, right? Use them, and be willing to discard them if they don't apply. If you do need them again, they will come.

But, the real goal is to unweave or see through the web that is holding this present structure together as a closed system. The structure of self is impermanent and only given the power you bestow upon it. Mind is the set of tools for creating, maintaining, and destroying that structure. Being conscious of the tools is being the master of that domain, freed of its unconscious bondage. Slowly simplify and become consciously aware of how your mind has been conditioned. No hurry.

[Mu_]

23 hours ago, Conscious life said:

what will you experience on Godhead consciousness and after that? what is godhead consciousness and how do you explain it? 

Mmmmm its both a lot more simple and a lot larger then can be comprehended.  "It's" not really a "it" and there's nothing thats not "it".  Its already Godhead consciousness right now and this will never change, however there's an infinite variety of experience so to say.

[StarStruck]

3 hours ago, kbone said:

Your honesty is refreshing, as is your willingness to search and be open.

Relatively speaking, I would say that serious trauma can create very "hard boundaries", so be gentle in the approach. Your psyche has had enough of the "hard school", perhaps. I do not take trauma lightly when I sense someone n the throes of that kind of suffering.

The insight you realized sounds like it was an important taste, and you are at least experientially aware of the "jolt of freedom" experienced. And sure, the mind character, interestingly, wants "more" as the feeling held in memory surpassed any form of induced high that one might have felt - acausal realizations are more powerful and, therefore, grounding that the induced psychedelic ones. Yeah, going into that sort of atmosphere with too much unresolved baggage and without proper guide/support can be a bit too much for the psyche, as well.

Question: Which of the following is harder on you psychologically:

1. Feeling trapped in the persona, not able to accept beauty and love into life... or perhaps not feeling worthy of it.
2. Feeling anxiety toward the character/events in childhood  that perpetrated the trauma.... not able to forgive, wanting to blame.
3. The obvious combination of both, and more...

You might even start another thread if you want to explore it. If not, I completely understand. Sometimes, it is good to reach out for ideas to jostle around and loosen up some paths to explore. At other times, a little time in the cocoon can be just what is needed. All depends on how you sense you want to proceed.

Just keep in mind that, for the most part, you are not here to take on a bunch of extra knowledge and practices, though they indeed might come as part of the journey, right? Use them, and be willing to discard them if they don't apply. If you do need them again, they will come.

But, the real goal is to unweave or see through the web that is holding this present structure together as a closed system. The structure of self is impermanent and only given the power you bestow upon it. Mind is the set of tools for creating, maintaining, and destroying that structure. Being conscious of the tools is being the master of that domain, freed of its unconscious bondage. Slowly simplify and become consciously aware of how your mind has been conditioned. No hurry.

Definitely option 1 is very taxing on me at the moment. That option actually describes me perfectly. I can see the structure of my personality and it feels like a prison.  I was thinking about opening a topic but I didn't know how to tell my story. Currently I'm going to psychotherapy once a week and she doesn't know a lot about enlightenment but she did help me with loosening up.

By the way, this made me go into psychotherapy:

 This event made me realize that my traumas have a great impact on me and that I'm not able to heal myself. I tried to heal myself with meditation and all kind of other practices but with no success.

[Conscious life]

15 hours ago, Mu_ said:

Mmmmm its both a lot more simple and a lot larger then can be comprehended.  "It's" not really a "it" and there's nothing thats not "it".  Its already Godhead consciousness right now and this will never change, however there's an infinite variety of experience so to say.

After Godhead is singular consciousness, what they call it void. godhead and void are so different, godhead has consciousness quality, the father, the mother, the child. divine element as trinity. but the void doesn't, even it trancend truth. it is like a dreamless sleep in waking consciousness. 

[kbone]

@StarStruck

I was able to flip through the 10 pages of feedback and your replies. It sounds like you have been living in your head up until the present and have not developed a sincere connection with (and, therefore, understanding of) your emotional body-self. This is quite normal for men, and you shouldn't think of yourself as deficient; after all, the emotions are there, and are just now becoming more apparent, pronounced, and confusing. It's natural to feel a little unbalanced, or even manic ~ out of control. Relax.

“The heart has its reasons which reason knows nothing of... We know the truth not only by the reason, but by the heart." - Blaise Pascal

At the risk of stereotyping, it is likely women have a greater sensitivity to these emotional frequencies, whether they are conscious of it or not. According to the Triune Brain studies, women's cerebral cortex evidently have many more connections with the limbic system (the paleo-mammalian part of the brain); whereas, men's cerebral cortex has more connections with the reptilian brain stem associated with the 4Fs (fight, flight, food, and fucking). It's not that men's brains have "no connections", it's just that, on average, they're a little less hard wired for dealing with emotions. With modern society feeding into the constant impulses, it appears that such phenomena have become more pronounced. For men that means access to more addictive porn, intense video games, guns, and foods that are terrible for your mind-body.

You are not trapped; you are learning another part of your human nature and, thus, are becoming more adult-like after the years of ignoring the trauma of your childhood (or so it sounds like). If you are seeing a psychotherapist, then you should be EXTREMELY proactive. Study yourself, take notes, and ask hard questions to your therapist that you truly feel you are WANT to explore. The therapist is a pro with their theory.... ONLY YOU know what's actually being explored. Go into sessions with an agenda, regardless of what actually becomes of it. Become somewhat monomaniacal if you have to.

It may also be that, due to the lack of exposure to girls/women in your life up until now, your EQ is not developed. So, your emotional outlook tends to be much more self-oriented, rather than empathetic or capable of sensing another person's feelings or intentions. In a way, this likely makes you feel more disoriented and unworthy of love and caring. Fear and it's well-grooved limitations set in. That's a mind-made trap. In short, it mimics the patterns of behavior and outcomes you experienced as a child. It draws you into an orbit, one that sticks close to the patterns of behavior you unconsciously walked and talked as a child in your mother's (lack of) care. Fuck that shit; free that child to try new ways, make mistakes, learn, love, and expand. To be clear, this is just a sense I am getting, and not to be construed as "your truth". I am providing it here as a means for YOU to get fucking proactive in your approach and break beyond any sense of powerlessness or feeling trapped. It takes courage to make mistakes and learn from them.... and GROW for fucks sake.

Use journaling to write out hard truths to yourself. Allow it to get as messy as it needs to get... this is messy stuff. Explore what you perceive as boundaries (hint: they are just layers of self  to be transcended). For example, what are the three most important take aways you got from that other thread? Be clear, take a stand for that unhealthy child inside, be the adult in the room (i.e., of your mind). This is very doable. At times, you will need to interact more with women, whether anonymously or in person. Open up, be touchy-feely, or just blunt honest, or try some passionate-about-life overtones... whatever. You can reach out to men about some of this, but I have found most (not all) men to be mostly agenda-driven in their convos when it comes to women, rather than authentic. Again, that is not always true, but there really is no substitute for the real deal.

Edited December 15, 2020 by kbone

[kbone]

1 hour ago, Conscious life said:

After Godhead is singular consciousness, what they call it void. godhead and void are so different, godhead has consciousness quality, the father, the mother, the child. divine element as trinity. but the void doesn't, even it trancend truth. it is like a dreamless sleep in waking consciousness. 

The Void is more indicative of a complete and absolute break from the "thing-filled" consciousness that one has assumed to make up the "sum of life". There is a someNothing (Void) in which all such things, be they thoughts, breath, hard 'physical' objects, or otherwise... appear. Both terms are just conceptual pointers, but I do find much less for the mind to "hold on to" when using the term Void. It's annoying as hell for the mind, which is very indicative as the desire for control and will. The Void avoids the traps of being given personal qualities, or even divine, for that matter. As such, Truth Realization is very rare indeed.

Awake as/within/to the Dream of Consciousness.... Pure Awareness.... Void.

 

[Mu_]

7 hours ago, Conscious life said:

After Godhead is singular consciousness, what they call it void. godhead and void are so different, godhead has consciousness quality, the father, the mother, the child. divine element as trinity. but the void doesn't, even it trancend truth. it is like a dreamless sleep in waking consciousness. 

Very well, see it how ever you like.  But just notice, that all these "qualities/terms" arise in and as You so to say.  Again this just appears to be a conversation of language, perhaps seemingly pointing to a topic, but in reality, its the expression and happening of the only event around "......".  Its all there is......