Luna

Transcendental Meditation

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Has anyone tried it? is it worth the money? i am a little iffy about spending that much money on meditation but if it is really helpful i would be down

please comment about your experience if you had tried it  

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I learned TM a long time ago (1980s) so my experience may be too out of date but here goes, I haven't heard it's changed much since then anyway.

It was really just a mantra meditation which they taught me with a Hindu ritual (Puja), I had 3 meetings before this where we were told about it by the teacher and how much scientific research had been done (apart from telling us the actual technique itself of course).  What I was paying for wasn't only the initial teaching, but was told I could get checked by an official TM teacher if I wanted it for the rest of my life. I didn't take it much further, I practised by myself for a few years and didn't get involved in the TM organisation. You don't get to choose your own mantra, it's a Sanscrit word or syllable assigned to you based on your date of birth (mine was "aing", you can find them on the internet nowadays). 

In hindsight, it was a lot of money to pay upfront for a basic technique which you can find anywhere else, and is only worth it if you continue to be a part of the TM scene in future. If, like me, you decide to move on to something else, it's money you can't get back. But I was young and naive back then, and didn't do my research into other options - at least I was young enough to pay a smaller fee.  When I got involved in organised meditation groups after then, I made sure to just pay small ongoing subscriptions rather than lump sums up front. Unless there's something substantial like a proper course or retreat to pay for. 

My advice would be to try out some mantra meditation (if that's what appeals to you) first from one of the many teachers in books, youtube videos etc, and if you like mantra practice, do more reading around different schools. There's many other types of meditation to try out too, of course - eg Leo has done free meditation videos. You may still decide TM is the one for you, but you will be committing your money after you've made an informed choice. For me, I've learned a lot of different techniques over the years and adjust my practice based on my own intuition about what I need. I occasionally use mantras when I can't relax into a more unstructured practice like do nothing or resting in being.

Good luck and I'd love to hear how you get on :)

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TM worked for me.  But wait, why you have to spend money?   TM is pretty simple.  Here is my way:

1) Prepare:  Just sit comfortably, you don't need to cross your legs or doing any pose.  Just close your eyes and relax.  I usually started my meditation by doing other techniques first:  Having a dozen of slow deep breaths;  Clearing the mind by pay attention to the present; Observing and ignoring thoughts from Past nor Future.... 

2) TM:  Only when I feel my mind is calm and peaceful, then I start read the mantra, a short phase or sentence that should make me feel good or peaceful.   Think TM as a way to drawn attention from your subconscious, and snugging it to sleep (while you are still fully awake, if that makes sense to you :) ).  If you feel peace and stress-free at the end of the meditation, then it works.  You may have to practices at least 30 minutes, every morning, for a few months to have some results.  

Once you are happy with your techniques, then you can give your meditation a boost by combining it with CBD, nootropics supplements from Amazon, edible cannabis (this was how I got my first awakening), strong determination sitting, or psychedelic's...   Find your way!  Even if you don't care about awakening, TM is still very good for your mood.

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lmao u wot m8?  (^~^;)!?  

lmao, I can't stop laughing..(≧U≦)

 

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i am a little iffy about spending that much money on meditation

lol, that's hilarious.

Ummm.. ever heard of YouTube?  

You don't even need that.  You know how to have thoughts?  Can you repeat them?  Well you've just graduated from my 20th-degree-black-belt-TM™ course.  You can forget the rest, you won't need it.  Really, you won't.

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@nitramadas I have asked a lot of people who have tried TM and 99% of the time they say stuff on youtube isn't accurate and you cannot master it until you go to teacher and pay for it. i just want to make sure i do it the right way i dont' want to waste time doing an incorrect practice of meditation and i know there isnt "right or wrong" in doing meditation but TM isnt like mindful meditation 

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15 hours ago, Tim Ho said:

nootropics supplements

can you tell me about these @Tim Ho

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On 11/20/2020 at 7:37 AM, Luna said:

can you tell me about these @Tim Ho

Yes, Leo has a video talking about them in details.  I just can't remember which one. 

- nootropics sup should be used for short term.  I wouldn't want to use it on daily basis for a long time.  You want to use it as stimulator for meditation to reach to a higher level.  Once you are shown the light, it should be easier to reach to that same level w/o using nootropics.  That is one thing I like about meditation.  Meditation should always be your primary focus, and don't let your Ego to use this as a distraction from the real work.  

- Meditation is what made nootropics works.  I could only notice the real differences while meditating.   If I just take nootropics and not doing meditation then I just feel a bit calmer, a bit less tress, thoughts are clear, or even sleepier...  So combining with meditation is a MUST.  Only take them right before your meditation.  The effect don't last long.

- Nootropics supplements affect each person differently.  Also, your body will also build up tolerant, and the effect will be less over time so you may have to take a couple week off when that happens.   It is not uncommon for me to take double of the recommended dose from the label.  You have to experience it yourself.  You can also combine, but be extra careful and doing it responsibly .  I used to combine them with Coffee and/or multi vitamin, or multiple nootropics as once.

- They can be expensive.  Also lower your expectation.  High exceptions can be a roadblock themselves.  If you want a better return in term of cost, then edible cannabis or psychedelics are actually better choices.

 

Here is the list of what I tried, with most recent on top.   I can only talk about products that I know.  Look at other threads in this forum about this topic.

- Genius mindfulness:  I made one purchase.  The rating is very high on this but the effect seem to weak but it last longer.  I purchased one bottle of this, and not planning to purchase more.  I prefer something stronger for shorter period of time.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07W6RTJL1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

- Rasa:  One purchase, but planning to try different forms of it.  It seem to work and I feel the effect. Currently, I blend it as coffee so I am hoping it can be strong with different forms.

 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07L8P2PJ1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_image_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

- Genius mushroom:  One purchase.  The effect is similar to Genius mindfulness. I have to take double of the dose to feel the effect

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078SJ9F5S/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

- Genius Consciousness:  3 purchases.  This is the best product for me.  I'm not sure why it has a lower rating than others.  Probably most consumers don't mediate with it? I don't really know why.  I was able to get a few big awakenings by this product.  But it wasn't my first awakening thou (I think sub-sequence awakenings are a bit easier than the first).   I used to combine it with coffee, multi-vitamin supplements.  I am thinking about getting some more.  This products comes in the form of powder.  If I have to stick to one, this is it.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07B45PSV8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1

- Zen mod:  One purchase.  Thou the effect is strong, I felt a minor head ache using this.  I would like to try it again

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07MXPZXFL/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1

- Neuro clarity:  One purchase.  Seem to be designed for non-meditator.  I would like to try it again, it has been a few years  since I tried this product.  I only started to see the effect after a few days.  

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00M8EZE6G/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Last but not least, HEMP.  This is probably my first recommendation, amazing result.  I made my own hemp so I can't provide any tips on products out there in the market

 

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The transcendental meditation technique is different from normal meditation. I tried it. However it is not worth the price.

There's another technique called "Natural stress relief". You should use that instead in my opinion. The experience of transcending stays the same. 

Here's a comparison: https://www.nsrusa.org/compare.php

I stopped using automatic self transcending techniques because in the long term the more classic techniques proved to be better for me.

These techniques actually put you into some kind of a thought construct that feels nice, is beneficial but it is not meditation. It will raise your consciousness though.

There have also been some horror stories, so if someone claims transcendental meditation & the like are completely harmless they are either trying to sell you something or are wrong.

If you are going to try it I would recommend either a (solid & maybe long) research of how the technique looks/works or buying natural stress relief, instead of spending that much money.

Even though the technique is a legitimate way to increase consciousness the organization is still a cult.

If you find a correct self transcending technique & haven't had an interesting/slightly mystical experience with conventional (which means you are a beginner) then it is worth it to either find the correct technique or buy Natural stress relief.

I could send you the correct technique for free once I have time. If you want to then message me.

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1 hour ago, Michal__ said:

If you are going to try it I would recommend either a (solid & maybe long) research of how the technique looks/works or buying natural stress relief, instead of spending that much money.

Even though the technique is a legitimate way to increase consciousness the organization is still a cult.

Agreed, don't spend $$$ on meditation!  Something is wrong with  that.

I'm not longer doing TM technique because I found other way that works better.   But when I was a beginner,  TM was a big help.   Most teacher talks from their point of view and forgot they were a beginner at one point.  

 

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7 hours ago, Luna said:

@nitramadas I have asked a lot of people who have tried TM and 99% of the time they say stuff on youtube isn't accurate and you cannot master it until you go to teacher and pay for it. i just want to make sure i do it the right way i dont' want to waste time doing an incorrect practice of meditation and i know there isnt "right or wrong" in doing meditation but TM isnt like mindful meditation 

Well they're wrong.  How would you get good at running?  How much theoretical knowledge would you need?  Knowing nothing at all you could reach top tier levels.  How do tribes in Africa hunt?  They can chase an animal for days.  Those people would be considered absolute pros at long distance running, yet they've never studied anything.  Meditation is no different.  If you're improving, you're doing it right. 

You can't really get it wrong, especially TM.  Can you think of a single way in which you could do TM wrong?  The point is to notice yourself failing.  If you notice you've failed, you've succeeded.  

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On 20/11/2020 at 0:49 PM, Luna said:

@nitramadas I have asked a lot of people who have tried TM and 99% of the time they say stuff on youtube isn't accurate and you cannot master it until you go to teacher and pay for it. i just want to make sure i do it the right way i dont' want to waste time doing an incorrect practice of meditation and i know there isnt "right or wrong" in doing meditation but TM isnt like mindful meditation 

Hi, the TM I was taught, by an official teacher, wasn't a different technique to the other youtube / book ones really. I sat, eyes closed, and repeated the mantra silently to myself for 20 minutes, twice a day. That's it. I've had the same method in regular yoga classes. I think there are more advanced TM stages, called the Siddhi programme, but they didn't explain them, they weren't included in the price. But good on you for wanting to commit this much to your practice, whatever you choose - I just looked up the price on the official TM website. Don't forget it's the practice you put in which brings results, not the money or how it's packaged by the teachers. Think about how you're going to establish a regular daily practice in your schedule. 

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@Luna you're welcome :) By the way, you're quite right that manta meditation is different from mindfulness meditation. They're just different methods, mindfulness isn't some sort of standard to compare others to. I did actually get good results from TM and 'transcended' regularly, my first mystical experiences, got relaxation, de-stressed, low blood pressure etc,  so I'm grateful for all of that. It was a valuable learning experience for sure, I've no regrets, no hard feelings to the TM people, but no doubt we all would do things differently with the benefit of hindsight. 

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