Parththakkar12

Where would you put Robert Kiyosaki on the Spiral?

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I'd put him at Tier-2. He has a lot of Orange, Yellow, Turquoise in him.


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@Parththakkar12

I would say Orange. Why would you put him in higher? That's interesting. Maybe I'm missing something.
I find his books very helpful to get financial free, I' currently life 3 Years with his Method of Working hard and Investing and I start to see Results. Before that I had much more basic Problems.

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6 hours ago, Parththakkar12 said:

I'd put him at Tier-2. He has a lot of Orange, Yellow, Turquoise in him.

lol?

He is about as Orange as they come. Have you seen any of his recent interviews? His whole identity, life purpose, and shtick in life is to game and leverage financial systems for personal gain.

Robert Kiyosaki is not a developed person.

Edit: Yea he speaks out against those things. Anyone with some sense does. It's likely a marketing ploy to make him more relatable to average joe's. Keep in mind he is still selling himself as a speaker and other products despite already being sickeningly wealthy.

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1 hour ago, supremeyingyang said:

I would say Orange. Why would you put him in higher? That's interesting. Maybe I'm missing something.

He speaks out against the Fed, the education system, the banks. That's Green and Yellow.

He also says that giving the masses financial education is part of his life purpose, which is Green/Turquoise. He has this question 'What does God want done?' which he uses to guide his life purpose.

Edit: He is very spiritual and he does a lot of inner work on himself. I think that's Turquoise. He's had awakenings. He meditates a lot and is very intuitive.

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2 minutes ago, Parththakkar12 said:

He speaks out against the Fed, the education system, the banks. That's Green and Yellow.

He also says that giving the masses financial education is part of his life purpose, which is Green/Turquoise. He has this question 'What does God want done?' which he uses to guide his life purpose.

It's higher than I thought. Maybe he has even some Yellow. But Turquoise? You can have a Life Purpose as a Blue Person as well.

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40 minutes ago, supremeyingyang said:

It's higher than I thought. Maybe he has even some Yellow. But Turquoise? You can have a Life Purpose as a Blue Person as well.

One of his high-consciousness ideals is Personal Growth, even more so than materialism. This is huge, because it is fundamentally based on the Absolute Truth of Impermanence of form. I see 'Rich Dad, Poor Dad' as a Yellow/Turquoise book. Of course it's Orange because it's about money, but it's about the psychology of it. His understanding of the issue of lack of financial education is systemically accurate, which is Yellow. He is all about shadow work.

He also manages fear in a way very few other people are able to. He's able to be present with the fear without suppressing it, but also without allowing it to dictate what he does. An Orange person will be like 'Man up! Man harder! Push through the fear!!', who will not care about understanding the fear.

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I've only now read the book. It's orange, but the very idea of writing something like this and making investing more available to people is above orange. So he will have some touch of green or yellow. I'm not seeing any turquoise, I'd say that takes much more than a humanistic life purpose. 

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But there is such thing as healthy orange this could be that kind of situation. Id also put Gary V at healthy orange but i think hes also got a lot of green in him and potentially even higher. I dont really see that with Robert K although i might be mistaken, ive seen a lot of him selling his name to 3rd party courses, similar to what Trump has done, so i just dont see it, but he has valuable info to share definitely. 

Edit: some relevant info about his company going bankrupt recently and other issues - https://thecollegeinvestor.com/4726/ultimate-hypocrite-robert-kiyosaki-companys-bankruptcy/

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16 hours ago, Consept said:

But there is such thing as healthy orange this could be that kind of situation. Id also put Gary V at healthy orange but i think hes also got a lot of green in him and potentially even higher. I dont really see that with Robert K although i might be mistaken, ive seen a lot of him selling his name to 3rd party courses, similar to what Trump has done, so i just dont see it, but he has valuable info to share definitely. 

Edit: some relevant info about his company going bankrupt recently and other issues - https://thecollegeinvestor.com/4726/ultimate-hypocrite-robert-kiyosaki-companys-bankruptcy/

Damn. So he is a Trickster with some good tips and excellent storytelling... i thought at least the story would be true

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21 minutes ago, supremeyingyang said:

Damn. So he is a Trickster with some good tips and excellent storytelling... i thought at least the story would be true

Basically but at the same time the story has probably provided value for others even if it's not true, so some good was done but in a dishonest way. 

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On 8/10/2020 at 5:30 PM, Consept said:

Basically but at the same time the story has probably provided value for others even if it's not true, so some good was done but in a dishonest way. 

That is one of Ayn Rands basic Arguments for Capitalism: In a Capitalist Society Egoism leads to good results for everyone as a byproduct. I read Rand, but I'm obviously not a blind follower to anyone.

Anyway - I take that as a Reason to reread Kiyosaki with a Bullshit filter on

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I reread one quarter and the story-telling style is so good. If I ever write a book to teach people i would emulate this method because it's relatable and you memorize it almost instantly

amendment:

"Great civilizations collapsed when the gap between the haves and havenots was too great. America is on the same course, proving once again that history repeats itself, because we do not learn from history. We only memorize historical dates and names, not the lesson." Quote from the Rich Dad from Chapter 2

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4 hours ago, supremeyingyang said:

That is one of Ayn Rands basic Arguments for Capitalism: In a Capitalist Society Egoism leads to good results for everyone as a byproduct. I read Rand, but I'm obviously not a blind follower to anyone.

Thats the argument but in practice it doesnt really work. If you look at the current situation in the world there a lot of regulations and taxation on businesses but there is still massive wealth inequality and outright poverty even in western countries, not everyone is suited to being a business person or an entrepreneur. Not only that some have massive advantages over others just on the basis of which family they were born into, there are many reasons but i dont think capitalism leads to good results for everyone. With Rich dad its slightly different because hes giving basic financial advice which is something most lack, so its not necessarily dependent on the government systems. Its information that could be considered useful to a lot of people, but there doesnt seem to be an overall message about how the world should work. So for me its just take whats useful and be aware that some of it is probably bullshit.  

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I read his book about 7 years ago and have now been watching some of his videos. 

He's basically as pure orange as orange can get, with shades of blue, but not much.

Very little green, yellow, and absolutely no turquoise. 

He's basically intelligent orange. Don't mistake that for yellow. 

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21 minutes ago, Consept said:

Thats the argument but in practice it doesnt really work. If you look at the current situation in the world there a lot of regulations and taxation on businesses but there is still massive wealth inequality and outright poverty even in western countries, not everyone is suited to being a business person or an entrepreneur. Not only that some have massive advantages over others just on the basis of which family they were born into, there are many reasons but i dont think capitalism leads to good results for everyone. With Rich dad its slightly different because hes giving basic financial advice which is something most lack, so its not necessarily dependent on the government systems. Its information that could be considered useful to a lot of people, but there doesnt seem to be an overall message about how the world should work. So for me its just take whats useful and be aware that some of it is probably bullshit.

Got it, but even Rand has some good points, but don't take Objectivism (her Philosophy) as the absolute Truth (like her followers). It's another Perspective. I really liked 'Anthem' and some Philosophy Books, but Atlas Shrugged.. is still unfinished. I think you get the Point within the first 100 Pages of this 1000+ Page Monolith.

 

14 minutes ago, fridjonk said:

I read his book about 7 years ago and have now been watching some of his videos. 

He's basically as pure orange as orange can get, with shades of blue, but not much.

Very little green, yellow, and absolutely no turquoise. 

He's basically intelligent orange. Don't mistake that for yellow. 

yeah

 

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37 minutes ago, supremeyingyang said:

Got it, but even Rand has some good points, but don't take Objectivism (her Philosophy) as the absolute Truth (like her followers). It's another Perspective. I really liked 'Anthem' and some Philosophy Books, but Atlas Shrugged.. is still unfinished. I think you get the Point within the first 100 Pages of this 1000+ Page Monolith.

I havent read any of her work so you probably know more than me on objectivism, i have a general idea. I know that she believes reality exists independently of consciousness which i guess is the opposite of non-duality. I do kind of get where shes coming from in terms of man having the heroic element and striving for his happiness as a moral purpose. But what ideas do you agree with or think are useful?

And i agree i dont think its good to follow anyone dogmatically.  

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His other book on the Cashflow quadrants has a heavy focus on systems thinking, creating business systems. Isn't that Yellow?

You're saying there's no Turquoise. Yeah he doesn't talk that much about non-duality, he talks more about money, personal finance, investing, etc. Maybe his target audience is folks at Orange/Green.

But as a person, I think he's very evolved. He does sometimes talk about his awakening experiences when asked. He also talks about his Life purpose as the Rich Dad, which is selfless on his part. Coming up against the Fed, the education system, the mainstream investment markets, etc. is a massive risk for him as a person and as a brand. Also, he does talk about the inner work he does on himself. To be able to teach what he knows in such simple language such that the masses can understand takes a lot of awareness about the level of development of other people. It isn't enough to just put out information, you also need to account for potential resistance from your own audience. He's able to meet people where they're at, which is analogous to being a Spiral Wizard.

As far as his company going bankrupt goes, well, all good things come to an end. He had a great run.

Edit: Teaching people to manage personal finances really means teaching them to do shadow work around money. That involves being a kind of spiritual teacher. That involves waking them up about their shadows around money. That's very Turquoise imo.

Try being a spiritual teacher, or try waking people up. You'll see just how difficult it is to get out of your bubble and meet people where they're at. I'm sure Leo will agree with me on this, that it takes unbelievably high personal awareness to do that.

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@Consept

- She describes Purple/Red Societies with the Archetype of Witch Doctor and Chieftain. The Chieftain has the muscles and forces the people into submission. The Witch Doctor (or Shaman) is in Connection with his feelings and makes a compelling story of why the Chieftain is right. So it's a Symbiosis. There is more but as a overall idea for you..

- I liked a inward perspective of neurotic orange in atlas shrugged (Dagny Taggert & Hank Rearden) and how they portray early Green in a 1950ish Context

- Objektivism can very benefitial if you are far developed and mature enough to get from unhealthy green to healthy green. but don't stick to it

- Anthem is the story about the Individual in a Socialist Dystopia...

see her in action:

She throw everything in Philosophy out the window except some Concepts from Aristotle..

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1 hour ago, Parththakkar12 said:

His other book on the Cashflow quadrants has a heavy focus on systems thinking, creating business systems. Isn't that Yellow?

i have this one here as well and i look into that right now to tell you what i think

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Ok, so I reread 70% of Rich Dad, Poor Dad (What Rich Parents teach their kids...) and 10% of the Quadrant Book so far. I guess it's a very good usable Model, but I'm not sure if it's Systems Theory. I read on and give you an Update, @Parththakkar12

Ah, i see what you might mean:

'...B-Entrepreneur can be in Vacation forever, because they own a System and not a Job'

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