What's the proof that self realization will liberate us from getting birth further??

[Alex bliss]

How can you proof ?? 

[SoonHei]

@Alex bliss proof cannot be found via words, stories, pictures, examples.

 

All proof given to you will be of those forms.

 

The proof you need has to be direct and self confirming. Like knowing you were dreaming is only possible after you wake up from it... No "proof" can be given to you while you are dreaming.

 

You must get the proof directly for yourself

[Alex bliss]

@SoonHei I know but ..is there any way to confirm that after knowing it the dream will stop ocurring? 

[Aakash]

You must find out the absolute truth for yourself to confirm whether it is true or not. What ever that means you have to do. 

Its not really much you have to worry about now. I mean only really conscious beings can do it. Hence it’s called conscious death. 

Any physical deaths you incur will just result in your getting reincarnated. So what do you have to lose really if you think about it. Especially when finding the absolute truth makes your life better generally because you are becoming a more open and loving person. 

Ultimately it’s your free will, do what ever you want. The important thing is to make the decisions that make you feel happy in life. If that means indulge in sex, indulge in it until it doesn’t satisfy you anymore. What ever you decide to do, do it to its extreme. until you manage to find a balance life for yourself which you can enjoy. What ever that means for you. 

[zeroISinfinity]

You are not the body. Maybe THIS? 

[Lowerplanedweller]

Day 1, you've been created, which denotes a beginning ....Soul

Day 10,000,000

You've come a long way and now as an experienced Soul you are ready to meet yourself, plus you have all this experience.

Day 10,000,001

today is r.i.p day

and being Soul and aware from this level instead of from a ego level, the system is set up so you no longer have to dwell with the ego world.

Didn't make the rules of life, just read why it's impossible to return to a EGO world once Soul awareness is your view pt. now.

can't confirm above is accurate, but liberated folks being born here are usually called Savior's for that particular period, and it appears folks here are trying to get liberated.

Edited September 2, 2019 by Lowerplanedweller

[Maya_0]

The claim that once you attain liberation you won't be reborn is just a myth.

 

 

 

[Aakash]

@Maya_0 it’s not a myth your interpreting it wrong 

the reason why liberation is said that you won’t be reborn is because you’ve seen through the duality of life and death and the IDEA of the death of the physical human being. They have yet to see the death of their own awareness. This is nirvana. Once they have reached this stage their enlightenemnt will carry over into their next life. They will live many A life times and never come out of their enlightened state. They could be an alien on a different planet and they would be born enlightened, the same happens here aswell. This is why some people are further than others in the journey overall to freedom. But they are still in their the form of an  enlightened state, imagining themselves to have attained the great death. So they will actually remain unborn. Until they voluntarily decide to give it up and start the process over again. Enlightenment itself can never actually be attained because enlightenemnt is infinite. There are so many “forms” of enlightenment. 

Reaching nirvana is like starting over again but with the understanding of your true self. So you can actually achieve actual death and not the imagined death they are imagining for themselves. That’s why the religious text say 

freedom from bondage: end to reincarnation of life and death 

liberation: end of reincarnation of life and death 

they say the same thing and people get confused. They essentially are the same thing. One Is the imagination of it, then the person realises they are in safe hands to undergo the actual death. Unless the person is ballsy enough to undergo the straight death right away 

the point of enlightenment is for you to find out the absolute truth and then to actually actualise it without fear. Because what is there to fear when you are an imagination itself “an illusion” of a seperated self 

all you should get is the truth and then arrive right back in the same place you started to find a way to take the second part of the journey. Because realising the truth is different actualising the truth. It no longer becomes about focusing on self-awareness. But it becomes about a no mind state without focusing or having self - awareness at all. Enlightenment goes on in form for infinity. You will never reach the end because by definition you can not reach the end of infinity because it’s infinite. By this time if your not me ? you would have gained good meditative abilities. But yours truly has 50 minutes under his belt. So now I’ve made the second part even more complicated. By understanding enlightenment which was the point without doing any spiritual practices except 70,000 hours of contemplation. Which uses the mind lol and now I can’t use it  so screwed 

you can reach enlightenment in duality becAuse it’s literally happening in front of you, you just have to look and observe direct reality itself with your own awareness 

because non duality IS DUALITY lol and duality is non-duality. They are identical. Which ever route you follow, both are form. 

Form is formless and formless is form. Both are partial truths, because the absolute truth is absolute. It’s the only thing that exists ? so you can’t really question it when everything and nothing are left out of the picture. There is no other option but to go for nirvana. You are stuck with no where to go, lol where can you go ? You are already inside absolute infinity because you are absolute infinity 

its literally an impossibility to doubt absolute truth and  the truth about enlightenment. Literally you can’t miss it because you are all of it. Lol 

lol also you’ll know because there’s nothing else to do but sit in silence 

so you have to go and seek out a master, because the process starts again. But how do I actually do it after knowing the two options you have. Do or do not, there is no try. 

Edited September 2, 2019 by Aakash

[Maya_0]

@Aakash 

51 minutes ago, Aakash said:

Once they have reached this stage their enlightenemnt will carry over into their next life. They will live many A life times and never come out of their enlightened state

What's the proof of this that separates myth from fact? 

 

[Aakash]

Absolute truth, the only thing that is true is the absolute truth, all other things are form and delusion. And what you realise is that life itself is a delusion and death is absolute truth. 

So when your stuck with an option that 

turn left - complete death = truth 

so when your dead your literally going become absolute truth 

or 

turn right - which is not complete your death = not absolute truth 

therefore it’s all a delusion lol 

you can basically figure it out without thinking, without questioning, without answering anyone’s questions, without asking more questions about life and the purpose and all that. That it’s all a delusion. Because the only think that’s absolute truth is death, so you literally have to be dead, if your alive that’s delusion. And when your dead you will know your dead. Because there won’t be anyone aware to ask whether they are dead or not, or make any distinctions. 

So yes I can tell you that it is technically a myth in the eyes of absolute truth however, it still exists nonetheless. And it will happen. 

The end of the problem of epistemology is death, how do you know that what you know to be true is true. It’s because you would be dead, there will be no one to draw distinctions and nobody to ask questions. So how you know is because you won’t be aware of it. So the only logic concludable. It is without a doubt the absolute truth of absolute infinity and end goal (not the reason as tsuki kindly pointedness our) of this existance itself. 

But you have to know absolute truth to know it for yourself and see it in your direct experience and knowledge that there is literally no other answer possible 

doubt itself is an impossibility, because doubt itself is part of the delusion of life. Only a person who is alive can doubt. Even a person who has the idea that they are dead can doubt themselves and that’s how it is, the absolute truth is undoubtable 

Edited September 2, 2019 by Aakash