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[Aakash]

I guess ill take the L since i couldn't prove my point lol, 

[tsuki]

6 minutes ago, Aakash said:

i don't know how to do this, so i'm going to need like two examples to understand what you mean

Give yourself some time, contemplate this. Look for similarities between the metaphysical paradigm and physical paradigm.
Then, ponder the question:

7 minutes ago, Aakash said:

@tsuki so what are they made of? 

until you realize that they are truly made of nothing. Then, ask yourself: how is nothing different from nothing?

[Aakash]

@tsuki they're both made out of nothing 

i think you've given me a great insight, i didn't think to put metaphysics also in the list of bullshit i've heard! 

nothing is not different from nothing, it is it 

so your saying that the heart is where emotions are and they're not actually seperate concepts, they're just seperated because of my distrotion. 

so what i said, is right in conceptual terms and is wrong in conceptual terms

 

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[tsuki]

@Aakash Now, ask yourself: what am I?

Edited June 11, 2019 by tsuki

[Aakash]

@tsuki LOL, thats the million dollar question 

nothing and something simultaneously conceptually. so i am a human with a heart, and not a human with a heart feeling emotions

[tsuki]

How is it possible that there are other people?
How is it possible that I'm 'giving you knowledge', 'asking you questions'?

[Aakash]

through my own distrotion of reality as subject/ object perspective, 

because i see you as a person seperate to me, 

[tsuki]

1 minute ago, Aakash said:

through my own distrotion of reality as subject/ object perspective, 

because i see you as a person seperate to me, 

What are you, exactly? Don't evade this question.

[Aakash]

@tsuki lol i don't know , i'm not enlightened to know what i am 

[tsuki]

Just now, Aakash said:

@tsuki lol i don't know , i'm not enlightened to know what i am 

Become enlightened RIGHT NOW and know this. You have to know this.

[Aakash]

@tsuki I am the present moment? 

[tsuki]

@Aakash Look around, can you find yourself?
Look inside, can you find yourself?
Look in between inside and outside. Can you find yourself?
What are you?

[Aakash]

i am that which i am when my mind completely stops, 

that eternal moment free of any labelling

not silence, not everything, not nothing, not god, not colourful, not a room, not a body, not "i" , not chair

free of all mind activity

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[tsuki]

5 minutes ago, Aakash said:

not silence, not everything, not nothing, not god, not colourful, not a room, not a body, not "i" , not chair

free of all mind activity

And what is the mind activity in relation to that?
"The mind" meant in the universal sense.

Edited June 11, 2019 by tsuki

[Aakash]

trying to figure out what it is, trying to see it as a seperate objective entity from yourself, 

but you can't figure it out, because you are it

its like the mind is trying to trying to survive by needing to label it as something seperate, it feels scared of it, and my emotions have reacted and i feel fear 

it keeps labelling it 

I , present moment, body, silence, seeing, being, right , wrong , stillness etc..

 

Edited June 11, 2019 by Aakash

[tsuki]

Aakash, it's very simple. Very, very, very simple.
What are you?

[Aakash]

I am being

the question is not "what are you" , there is no "you" 

the question is "what are you"  

what you are is being 

the questions are different

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[Aakash]

i feel scared, i feel like its like a hole,that if i fall into it, i won't know where it will take me or how long ill fall for

[tsuki]

1 minute ago, Aakash said:

i feel scared, i feel like its like a hole,that if i fall into it, i won't know where it will take me or how long ill fall for

How many holes have you opened already?
Did you ever open one when you weren't ready to see it?

The hole is patient, it will wait for you until you muster your courage.
You did well, friend.

[Aakash]

it feels like the last step of self inquiry

the 9th picture of the ox herding pictures

complete no mind metitation 

the collapse of time 

really it feels like the end of the world

it feels like the result of watching your hands for countless months and years

it feels like a hallucination 

Edited June 11, 2019 by Aakash