Is Sadhguru a Charlatan?

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Bruh this is a braindead take. He shits on religion more than you do.

So what?

He teaches yoga. This is a fact. And he has built Hindu temples to Shiva, etc.

Pointing out the obvious flaws in religion does not make one New Age.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Jirh]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

He is not New Age. He teaches Hinduism and yoga. As Hindus do.

He literally said he doesn't identify with any religion.

Of course, if we ask him, he would also say he doesn't identify with New Age. But that's just how New Age works.

[Carl-Richard]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

So what?

He teaches yoga. This is a fact. And he has built Hindu temples to Shiva, etc.

Pointing out the obvious flaws in religion does not make one New Age.

Ok it's weird: he shits on religion more than you do, and he does the thing where "we're just seekers, not believers", like you and other New Agers do, but he applies that to the entire Hinduistic/subcontinental enterprise ("we've always been a country of seekers, not believers"). So he is like a Hindu/India supremacist while still New Age. "Seeker vs believer" is a New Age concept. It's directly tied to the modern atheistic critique. "We're spiritual but not religious".

Edited 4 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Husseinisdoingfine]

The problem with Sadhuru is that his meditation and yoga techniques are really weak and he markets to people who are not in spirituality to find existential truths about the universe and consciousness, but for people who are in it for well-being reasons.

He's for people who have never heard of meditation before, buy beyond a certain point, you need to drop teachers like him and find more advanced teachers.

His cookbook is phenomenal, though.  

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Jirh said:

He literally said he doesn't identify with any religion.

So what?

Hinduism is not just a religion, it is a culture. He uses a lot of material from the culture and he teaches to people from that culture.

His yoga is quite traditional.

Sadguru is a typical Hindu yogi. Following their traditions. He's just not dogmatic about it, which is how it should be.

I have not seen him do anything bad.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Carl-Richard]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Hinduism is not just a religion, it is a culture. He uses a lot of material from the culture

So does the New Age. Does that make New Age Hindu?

 

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

His yoga is quite traditional.

The hell.

 

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

He's just not dogmatic about it

Bingo.

[Jirh]

@Leo Gura New Age draws from various religions and cultures. That's its main feature. It doesn't have a static core that maintains exclusivity, and it keeps loose relations to every school of thought.

It's like crypto, its power comes from its decentralized nature. No one to judge or question its validity.

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Jirh said:

New Age draws from various religions and cultures.

I don't see him drawing from any spiritual tradition but Hindu ones.

He is a Hindu yogi. Calling Hindu yogis New Age is not right.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[OBEler]

23 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

The problem with Sadhuru is that his meditation and yoga techniques are really weak and he markets to people who are not in spirituality to find existential truths about the universe and consciousness, but for people who are in it for well-being reasons.

He's for people who have never heard of meditation before, buy beyond a certain point, you need to drop teachers like him and find more advanced teachers.

His cookbook is phenomenal, though.  

I disagree with every statement you make. Have you really participated in one of his courses to tell such things?

[Jirh]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't see him drawing from any spiritual tradition but Hindu ones.

He is a Hindu yogi. Calling Hindu yogis New Age is not right.

By this logic, most modern spiritual teachers are either Hindu or Buddhist.

Think Alan Watts and Eckhart Tolle.

So I guess basically the difference is in how you dress 😂

If you dress modern, you're New Age. That's the rule.

[Carl-Richard]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't see him drawing from any spiritual tradition but Hindu ones.

New Age is postmodern, individualistic, (and often) syncretic. It critiques the ills of traditional religion as dogmatic and besides the point, it focuses on individual practice / individual insight and "going inwards", and it may incorporate a multitude of practices from different cultures (as it has deconstructed the adherence to just one set of dogmas as necessary or useful). But I would say its defining characteristic is its postmodern / post-rational qualities, its syncretism is a downstream effect of the former.

Edited 3 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Jirh said:

By this logic, most modern spiritual teachers are either Hindu or Buddhist.

To me it is different when Westerners cosplay as Hindu or Buddhist versus actual Easterners who come from those traditions.

Sadhguru is a genuine, homegrown yogi.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Carl-Richard]

 

 

 

Religion-critical, culture-aware, Hindu supremacist.

It's really funny. The same reason he calls Hinduism not a religion is the same reason why New Agers call New Age not a religion. "It's just people practicing their own thing".

It's of course all hocus pocus anyway. New Age is religion, Hinduism is religion. "Seekers" believe in stuff they have no personal experience of, before they have the personal experience. They follow religious frameworks (dogmas) that shape their path, their practices, what they find useful or relevant to invest time in. And they engage in communities that share their view and that amplify their vision and share knowledge, practices, insights, get advice. And of course they worship.

Edited 2 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Majed]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

To me it is different when Westerners cosplay as Hindu or Buddhist versus actual Easterners who come from those traditions.

Sadhguru is a genuine, homegrown yogi.

@Leo Gura Then the other day you told me being italian is a hallucination. Yet you admit that culture has a collective mind/psyche here. How isn't this a contradiction ? 

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Majed said:

@Leo Gura Then the other day you told me being italian is a hallucination. Yet you admit that culture has a collective mind/psyche here. How isn't this a contradiction ? 

Being a Hindu is a hallucination too. So there's no contradiction.

Culture is a construct of Mind.

[Majed]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Being a Hindu is a hallucination too. So there's no contradiction.

Culture is a construct of Mind.

@Leo Gura Where the rubber meets the road is if i challenge you to go live in a place like afghanistan, since being american is a hallucination that you can take off easily, why don't you go live in Afghanistan or another similar country. Culture is a construct of the mind, however some cultures are still superior and better than others, because not all constructs are of equal quality. 

[Jirh]

27 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

To me it is different when Westerners cosplay as Hindu or Buddhist versus actual Easterners who come from those traditions.

Sadhguru is a genuine, homegrown yogi.

Maybe in part.

But he talks about so many topics, mostly from a self-help perspective.

A real yogi doesn't concern himself with self-help because he believes his culture already has all the answers for everything.

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Majed said:

@Leo Gura Where the rubber meets the road is if i challenge you to go live in a place like afghanistan, since being american is a hallucination that you can take off easily, why don't you go live in Afghanistan or another similar country. Culture is a construct of the mind, however some cultures are still superior and better than others, because not all constructs are of equal quality. 

1) I did not say the hallucination is easy to take off. The opposite is the case.

2) I said nothing about all cultures being equal.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Jirh said:

A real yogi doesn't concern himself with self-help because he believes his culture already has all the answers for everything.

This is a no true scotsman fallacy.

Sadhguru is a real yogi. Yogis have a wide range of views and beliefs.

[Majed]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

1) I did not say the hallucination is easy to take off. The opposite is the case.

2) I said nothing about all cultures being equal.

@Leo Gura Okay so we agree on this i think. Culture is important, and non-trivial. 

It's like saying your house is a construction. Yeah it is an invention, it's made up. But still not all houses are created equal. And plus good luck living without one, and one of decent quality, and one that you enjoy and love.