Buddhist Epistemology

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, JoshB said:

The method doesn't really matter as long as you arrive at the intended destination. 

And Frank Yang has plenty of great insights. But there is huge buddhist blunders in his teachings. 

I guess. I don't believe that.

[JoshB]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

I guess. I don't believe that.

Belief and opinion is irrelevant in the light of Truth

It doesnt matter what I or anyone says, what matters is what is True. 

And one should align oneself with what is True

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[JoshB]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I guess. I don't believe that.

Most people's chances of realizing God is a lot higher on psychedelics. And almost next to none sober. 

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, JoshB said:

Belief and opinion is irrelevant in the light of Truth

It doesnt matter what I or anyone says, what matters is what is True. 

And one should align oneself with what is True

Well I'm challenging all yall. Awakening doesn't come from drugs. 

[JoshB]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Well I'm challenging all yall. Awakening doesn't come from drugs. 

Challenge yourself, go trip and find out. 

There are degrees of awakening beyond anything you currently comprehend with psychedelics. 

How can you criticize something you have 0 experience in?

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[JoshB]

@Leo Gura if all these buddhists, monks,  and zen masters just did some dmt they'd shut the fuck up and sit down. 

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, JoshB said:

Challenge yourself, go trip and find out. 

There are degrees of awakening beyond anything you currently comprehend with psychedelics. 

How can you criticize something you have 0 experience in?

 

Degrees.  This is all i hear from you guys. Degrees.

[JoshB]

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

 

Degrees.  This is all i hear from you guys. Degrees.

Infinite degrees

But there are stages and states. You can hit a threshold. God can be concious of itself as God. But there is still an infinitude more for God to discover about itself.

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[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, JoshB said:

@Leo Gura if all these buddhists, monks,  and zen masters just did some dmt they'd shut the fuck up and sit down. 

It may not be that simple or easy. Buddhists have built up a deep worldview and paradigm of things are, and deconstructing it takes serious work. A few trips may not be  enough.

Buddhism can be a very powerful illusion. It can feel very real, especially after years of hardcore practice.

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[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, JoshB said:

Infinite degrees

But there are stages and states. You can hit a threshold. God can be concious of itself as God. But there is still an infinitude more for God to discover about itself.

Its bullshit. When you wake up from the dream it is total.

Edited 1 hour ago by Inliytened1

[JoshB]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

It may not be that simple or easy. Buddhists have built up a deep worldview and paradigm of things are, and deconstructing it takes serious work. A few trips may not be  enough.

Ofc and a huge part of that world view isnt giving credence to psychedelics. So to just sit them down and have them take a psychedelic is a challenge in of itself.

[Joseph Maynor]

What is the test if someone is enlightened or not?

[JoshB]

6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Its bullshit. When you wake up from the dream it is total.

Ive been there, Conciousness is Absolute but that doesn't mean Conciousness can't deepen its understanding of itself to radically higher degrees. 

You can awaken from the dream but still realize God at deeper and more total levels.

This doesn't contradict the totality, it deepens it.

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[Joseph Maynor]

The teachings of the Buddha are actually very simple.  
 

 

[Oppositionless]

@Leo Gura do you think Buddhists who talk about the Absolute are closer to realizing God or are they equally deluded. I've followed Buddhist teachers who say the thing looking out through my eyes is the same as the thing looking out through your eyes. I've even listened to one who talks about the absolute as love .

Edited 52 minutes ago by Oppositionless

[JoshB]

2 minutes ago, Oppositionless said:

@Leo Gura do you think Buddhists who talk about the Absolute are closer to realizing God or are they equally deluded. I've followed Buddhist teachers who say the thing looking out through my eyes is the same as the thing looking out through your eyes. I've even listened to one who talks about the absolute as love .

I have seen this as well. Ive even heard some say consciousness as absolute. 

There are definitely degrees to the delusion of Buddhism. 

[Oppositionless]

20 minutes ago, JoshB said:

You can awaken from the dream but still realize God at deeper and more total levels.

It should be obvious from studying life that this is the case. Working with intellectually disabled people has given me a profound insight into this exact things

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Oppositionless said:

@Leo Gura do you think Buddhists who talk about the Absolute are closer to realizing God or are they equally deluded. I've followed Buddhist teachers who say the thing looking out through my eyes is the same as the thing looking out through your eyes. I've even listened to one who talks about the absolute as love .

Look, Buddhism is not wrong per se. It is in the right direction. They have plenty of valid insights.

[Inliytened1]

18 minutes ago, Oppositionless said:

@Leo Gura do you think Buddhists who talk about the Absolute are closer to realizing God or are they equally deluded. I've followed Buddhist teachers who say the thing looking out through my eyes is the same as the thing looking out through your eyes. I've even listened to one who talks about the absolute as love .

The Buddhist got no self right.  And that's enlightenment. I don't care what yall say 

Edited 34 minutes ago by Inliytened1