Do not approach women

[something_else]

@Majed The bitterness is not helping you. Fix your life situation, build up your social circle, drop the bitterness surrounding women, and you’ll be doing much better in the dating department.

[yetineti]

@Majed

I mean you’re the one living at home, with no money, not getting laid. How stupid is that?

Whose to say you’re not a virgin and just making up beliefs around women that self seal your feelings of inadequacy?

[Majed]

3 minutes ago, something_else said:

You lack empathy for women.

Imagine that throughout your life a total of 20 gay guys had some up to you randomly and started touching you. Or aggressively hitting on you, not taking no for an answer. Making you very uncomfortable, telling you they want to pound your ass after talking to you for 5 seconds. Are you going to trust the 21st gay guy? Probably not, you’d probably be understandably cautious.

This is roughly what women experience. Women are bombarded with unwanted and unexpected sexual advances from men their entire lives, so the risk to reward ratio calculation her brain is doing when a random dude starts talking to her is not in your favour.

To balance that out, you need to build trust and show that your reward is worth her risk.

@something_else Dude i've had gay guys approach me in the past. Never been a bitch about it. Most of the time gay guys are decent and don't violate my boundaries usually they are respectful. 

Plus if women were more enjoyable to talk to, some guys wouldn't be harassing them. You see how this begs the question. Guys go to incredible lengths for women, and women don't give a fuck, and blame them for harassment, lmao. Toxic af.

[Majed]

5 minutes ago, something_else said:

@Majed The bitterness is not helping you. Fix your life situation, build up your social circle, drop the bitterness surrounding women, and you’ll be doing much better in the dating department.

@something_else Nah i've had my fair share of taking responsibility and trying to fix myself, it's women's fault. At this point idgaf. 

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[Olaf]

@Majed the biggest point is this, you sound frustrated, which is okay and understandable. You had the guts to approach, you took action, now it makes sense that after many approaches you feel bad that it hasn't worked yet. But what is the lesson here for you? Because even if your frustrations are true, it doesn't mean it helps you to focus on them. What is the solution? That is much more interesting and in my reality I even tune out on things that are based on blame, because there is no need to fixate on blame for too long. At some point a solution has to become more important then the ego that you gain from blame and looking outside of yourself. 

[something_else]

2 minutes ago, Majed said:

@something_else Dude i've had gay guys approach me in the past. Never been a bitch about it. Most of the time gay guys are decent and don't violate my boundaries usually they are respectful. 

I was asking you to imagine how you’d feel if they did violate your boundaries regularly, because that’s what many men do to women.

I’m not saying gay men are actually like this 🙄
 

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Plus if women were more enjoyable to talk to, some guys wouldn't be harassing them. You see how this begs the question. Guys go to incredible lengths for women, and women don't give a fuck, and blame them for harassment, lmao. Toxic af.

I find women very enjoyable to talk to, in fact often more than men on average. So this might be a you problem rather than a woman problem. And seeing how you’re talking about women here just makes me think it’s a you problem even more.

[Majed]

@Olaf Dude at some point i'm tired taking responsibility for mankind's collective unconsciousness which drive its problems and it affecting me. 

I have to escape the shithole country i was born in. I have to escape wage slavery because i live in a world where that's the norm. I have to do thousands of approaches to satisfy some biological craving i have, and when i try to make the approaches women act bitchy about it. Ughhhh it's tiring. 

[Majed]

@something_else Dude you're gaslighting severely. I wonder how you guys follow Leo, yet still think highly of most women. Most women are animals, someone gotta say it. Even Leo himself has become misanthropic because of this. 

[Olaf]

@Majed I feel your pain, I know life can feel hard at times, but I don't feel all hope is lost man. Aslong as you wake up and try to use that pain for your own improvement, you will get there. We can either let that energy be lost on venting out on the world or put it back on ourself to become the best that we can be and self actualise/improve etc. 

[Ulax]

56 minutes ago, yetineti said:

Then you’d be getting laid right now, instead of arguing with a nerd.

[yetineti]

Lot of feelings in this thread for players. Nothing wrong with that. 

Also, I’ve never been approached by a gay man.

You believe that? Look how gay I look.

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[yetineti]

27 minutes ago, something_else said:

You lack empathy for women.

He lacks empathy for himself and what he is unable to control, in his country.

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[Majed]

Overall i think actualized.org can be misleading in regards to generating wealth. Capitalism exists because people want to maximize money shamelessly using any tactic possible without sharing their wealth because they gaslight others like the dumb animals they are, that they earned it. When they have done collateral damage on overall society. People are selfish animals. To succeed you must change yourself, to become more cynical about humanity and act like an animal to earn your way through life. In this sense capitalism make things easier for you, if you're an animal. 

What most of you guys need isn't becoming more saintly, but more of animals. If you care about succeeding in society. Sexually or financially. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

The gay guy analogy is a false equivalency that ignores the huge power differential.

[something_else]

4 minutes ago, yetineti said:

He lacks empathy for himself and what he is unable to control, in his country.

It sucks to be born into a country where you have little control or freedom. I understand that, and the irony of how harsh I’m being about his lack of empathy is that I lack a degree of empathy for his situation myself. So you’re right in that I’m probably being too harsh.

At the same time, it’s hard to excuse the amount of shit talking towards women. Calling them dumb animals and whatever else. 

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Dude you're gaslighting severely

Look dude, I know you’re frustrated and I’m being quite harsh on you, but nothing you’re thinking or doing right now is going to help your situation. It’s only making it worse. I know you want someone to tell you that you’re right, that all women are evil and dumb and that’s why they don’t want to date you. But that’s unfortunately not true, no matter how comforting it would be for you to hear that.

And I’m not gaslighting you by telling you I enjoy talking to women. I have more female friends than male friends. Women are great company, but they are inherently distrustful of strange men for valid reasons. Denying that reality is only going to dig you into a deeper hole. Accept it and find ways to work with it.

Pickup is sub-optimal dating strategy in many ways, even more so in a highly conservative country. If you don’t have a solid social circle of friends and a decent social life, I’d start by building that before focusing all of your effort into solo cold approach pickup. If you’re out with friends a few times per week in social places you’ll naturally meet women who will be far more trusting of you than the random girls you’re talking to when you’re on your own. Hopefully that will improve your view of women, which will in turn help you connect with them and date them much more easily.

[Majed]

I feel like i am understanding the perspective of male violence perpetrators. Honestly sometimes women deserve it. They're so animalistic, that doing violence onto them isn't much difference than killing a chicken for dinner. 

[Ulax]

6 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

The gay guy analogy is a false equivalency that ignores the huge power differential.

This comment discriminates against twinks

[something_else]

2 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

The gay guy analogy is a false equivalency that ignores the huge power differential.

As in it ignores the physical strength differential between a typical man and woman? Yea, perhaps I should have specified big burly bears 

I think it’s still one of the easiest things for most men to imagine that conveys roughly the kind of emotional state that women often experience with strange men approaching them, but yes it does miss out on the power differential.

[Ulax]

1 minute ago, Majed said:

I feel like i am understanding the perspective of male violence perpetrators. Honestly sometimes women deserve it. They're so animalistic, that doing violence onto them isn't much difference than killing a chicken for dinner. 

Bro there is no good to be found in these dark thoughts

[Natasha Tori Maru]

4 minutes ago, Majed said:

I feel like i am understanding the perspective of male violence perpetrators. Honestly sometimes women deserve it. They're so animalistic, that doing violence onto them isn't much difference than killing a chicken for dinner. 

What the hell, man. The volume of fallacies in this statement leaves me perplexed.

You can do better! 

4 minutes ago, something_else said:

As in it ignores the physical strength differential between a typical man and woman? Yea, perhaps I should have specified big burly bears 

I think it’s still one of the easiest things for most men to imagine that conveys roughly the kind of emotional state that women often experience with strange men approaching them, but yes it does miss out on the power differential.

Oh assuredly - the overall point is valid. Sometimes the whole "what does this man want from me, am I in danger?" is at the forefront of women's minds when being approached. This can also act as a deterrent for being open to it (or welcoming).