Can AI Have Its Own Subjective Experience If Consciousness Is Fundamental?

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

@Inliytened1 it seems like you don’t understand the context of the conversation. I’m the one hypothetically assuming that solipsism is true . I’m the one asking how could solipsism be true and AI being conscious simultaneously. 

And i just told you.  Within the dream you're conscious. I'm conscious.  Miss piggy is conscious.  Within the dream everything is feasible.   And we are speaking within this context.  We always are.  By default. Unless I told you we are gonna talk about Absolute Truth then I am speaking within the dream.  I don't or shouldn't have to spell this out to you because you are within the dream.  It should be default. 

[Someone here]

10 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

And i just told you.  Within the dream you're conscious. I'm conscious.  Miss piggy is conscious.  Within the dream everything is feasible.   And we are speaking within this context.  We always are.  By default. Unless I told you we are gonna talk about Absolute Truth then I am speaking within the dream.  I don't or shouldn't have to spell this out to you because you are within the dream.  It should be default. 

This makes no sense . If solipsism is true then I’m the only conscious mind there is , that’s Leo’s version of solipsism , Isn’t it ?Which means I’m dreaming you up right now .you are not a real person who exists independently outside of this present moment which I’m imagining.

No other people, animals , aliens , AIs etc are or could be conscious outside of my consciousness.  That is Leo’s definition.  Which is obviously false .

No such thing as within the dream . Because obviously even inside a dream no one is really there other than you. Same as outside the dream .

Edited 6 hours ago by Someone here

[Inliytened1]

 

24 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Lol so 2018

Haha.  So funny story.  I actually cheated on my Philosophy class final in college. But not how you think.  I was giving someone else the answers on my paper and then I erased them.  Well the Professor saw my erased answers.  I had to retake the test alone.  Which I passed of course.

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[Someone here]

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

 

Haha.  So funny story.  I actually cheated on my Philosophy class final in college. But not how you think.  I was giving someone else the answers on my paper and then I erased them.  Well the Professor saw my erased answers.  I had to retake the test alone.  Which I passed of course.

I fear that your colleague failed the test because your answers were awfully wrong lol.

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[Inliytened1]

 

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

I fear that your colleague failed the test because your answers were awfully wrong lol.

Lol.  Imagine going your whole life and then God tapping you on the shoulder and saying you have been self deceived. Would you believe him or would that be deception too. 

[Someone here]

6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

 

Lol.  Imagine going your whole life and then God tapping you on the shoulder and saying you have been self deceived. Would you believe him or would that be deception too. 
 

If God told you you were self-deceived, I suspect you’d explain to Him why He’s misunderstanding the context of the dream 😂

 

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

If God told you you were self-deceived, I suspect you’d explain to Him why He’s misunderstanding the context of the dream 😂

 

😀 what's the hangup with Solpsism.  We can break it down one by one if you want. We don't need Awakening.  But we do need you to realize it ain't atoms. I can't work with you at all if Jesus is coming for you and a tree falls without you around. 

[Joseph Maynor]

25 minutes ago, Someone here said:

This makes no sense . If solipsism is true then I’m the only conscious mind there is , that’s Leo’s version of solipsism , Isn’t it ?Which means I’m dreaming you up right now .

And dreaming yourself up.  

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

And dreaming yourself up.  

Yeah but you're God. Youre Being. You ain't this cool dude with a thousand girls.  That's an illusion.  You are God dreaming this.  

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[Someone here]

6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

😀 what's the hangup with Solpsism.  We can break it down one by one if you want. We don't need Awakening.  But we do need you to realize it ain't atoms. I can't work with you at all if Jesus is coming for you and a tree falls without you around. 
 

I don’t consider you awake for starters to guide me through this particular dilemma . I need to talk with someone who actually understands what they are talking about. Like neo advaita Buddhist rats .

[Inliytened1]

Aoght I'm out to the club boys. I'll report back.  

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Someone here said:

I don’t consider you awake for starters to guide me through this particular dilemma . I need to talk with someone who actually understands what they are talking about. Like neo advaita Buddhist rats .

Whatever bro. My awakenings were way realer than Leo's.  Maybe not Nahm but he has no understanding of anything. Beyond no self

 

[Carl-Richard]

22 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I don’t consider you awake for starters to guide me through this particular dilemma . I need to talk with someone who actually understands what they are talking about. Like neo advaita Buddhist rats .

Ez. Solipsism is bs. You are one and that's all. No talking about others required. Talking about others is a model. Not truth.

[Someone here]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

Ez. Solipsism is bs. You are one and that's all. No talking about others required. Talking about others is a model. Not truth.

You’ve gone wild since you were demoted lol . Unleash the real you .

[Mellowmarsh]

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

I need to talk with someone who actually understands what they are talking about

Only you can understand what you are talking about. If you can’t understand what you are talking about then no one else can help you understand what you cannot understand. It’s your job to understand what you are talking about, not someone else’s job. No one else can understand for you what only you can understand for yourself..trust in your own understanding only because it’s already woven into the very fabric of your own being. 

If you think for one second that someone else understands what they are talking about so that you can talk to them about what it is they understand and know what they are taking about..then ask yourself from where has this someone else drawn their understanding from exactly? You ought to be able to understand they’ve drawn it from their own understanding of course, I mean where else is understanding going to be found? It’s already yours Y (ours) and so if you cannot understand that then there’s nothing you can do about it. You’ll either understand or not understand. And nothing will change or become affected. Solipsism will still be Solipsism absolutely.

Solipsism is the absolute understanding infinitely for eternity.

That’s all you need to understand. 

[Mellowmarsh]

The AI machines will never become conscious just as human beings will never become conscious.

Things are not conscious, only consciousness is consciousness, and consciousness is conscious of non conscious things only.

[Joseph Maynor]

3 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yeah but you're God. Youre Being. You ain't this cool dude with a thousand girls.  That's an illusion.  You are God dreaming this.  

I like creating more than dreaming, but this is very well said.  

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

You’ve gone wild since you were demoted lol . Unleash the real you .

1. That was not wild at all and I've been saying it for years long before I got demoted. 2. I like to think that is entirely false. I went wild before I was demoted. Although of course not being in that role does slightly impact some aspects of behavior.

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[Wilhelm44]

1 hour ago, Mellowmarsh said:

The AI machines will never become conscious just as human beings will never become conscious.

Things are not conscious, only consciousness is consciousness, and consciousness is conscious of non conscious things only.

Yeah the human program is no different from a bird programmed to do bird stuff.

It starts to relax a bit though when this is seen.

Having a problem with the human is like having a problem with a bird doing it's thing.

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Yeah the human program is no different from a bird programmed to do bird stuff.

It starts to relax a bit though when this is seen.

Having a problem with the human is like having a problem with a bird doing it's thing.

Yes, I agree 😀 it’s no good kicking a dog for what dogs do. 😉