Can AI Have Its Own Subjective Experience If Consciousness Is Fundamental?

[Wilhelm44]

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Your work is done

Alien Consciousness 

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Wilhelm44 said:

Alien Consciousness 

Classic. 

Ok that's another matter.  I got my boy @JoshB coming to stay with me next month.  And hes gonna bring me some 5-MeO.  So we will see about that.

[Wilhelm44]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Classic. 

Ok that's another matter.  I got my boy @JoshB coming to stay with me next month.  And hes gonna bring me some 5-MeO.  So we will see about that.

I haven't done 5Meo, is it your first time ?

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Wilhelm44

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I haven't done 5Meo, is it your first time ?

It will be my first time for any psychedelic. Leo knows I can't smoke weed at all. I can't tolerate it.  So I dont know how this will be.  I'm gonna start at a super low dose.

Edited 2 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Wilhelm44]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

It will be my first time for any psychedelics.  Leo knows I can't smoke weed at all. I can't tolerate it.  So I dont know how this will be.  I'm gonna start at a super low dose.

Yeah, start slow. I once did 4 grams of some kind of mushroom. 

I thought I wasn't going to make it 

Energy was so strong, I did feel like some kind of alien being.

And it went on for hours.

Good on you for trying 5Meo.

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Yeah, start slow. I once did 4 grams of some kind of mushroom. 

I thought I wasn't going to make it 

Energy was so strong, I did feel like some kind of alien being.

And it went on for hours.

Good on you for trying 5Meo.

I don't think we are going straight to that. I think he said we were going to do some mushrooms first. Bro. I could go straight to the hard shit but I'm gonna follow his lead. He's been doing psychedelics for years and tons of awakenings.  He is one of the most awakened on the forum but doesnt post much.   So well try it.

[Wilhelm44]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I don't think we are going straight to that. I think he said we were going to do some mushrooms first. Bro. I could go straight to the hard shit but I'm gonna follow his lead. He's been doing psychedelics for years and tons of awakenings.  He is one of the most awakened on the forum but doesnt post much.   So well try it.

Yeah, you lucky to have a good guide, enjoy, looking forward to your trip report 

[Nemra]

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

Do we have to understand how a trans-Planckian field of unicorns behaves to create a digital consciousness? 😂

Do you need to understand how atoms behave to build a chair?

I think that the intention to understand the real causal relationship from scratch is the way to go, without depending on theories of how deep microscopic layers correlate with the brain's behavior.

Edited 1 hour ago by Nemra

[Willy Phallicus]

55 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I don't think we are going straight to that. I think he said we were going to do some mushrooms first. Bro. I could go straight to the hard shit but I'm gonna follow his lead. He's been doing psychedelics for years and tons of awakenings.  He is one of the most awakened on the forum but doesnt post much.   So well try it.

Five dried grams in silent darkness.

 

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Willy Phallicus said:

Five dried grams in silent darkness.

 

The dried and the darkness part makes me think this is instant God mode. 

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Do you need to understand how atoms behave to build a chair?

I think that the intention to understand the real causal relationship from scratch is the way to go, without depending on theories of how deep microscopic layers correlate with the brain's behavior.

Forget the brain. How would the brain construct consciousness anyway? Does anyone know. Or is it magic. 

[Willy Phallicus]

After ego "death" for sure.  That takes a little bit though.

Shrooms don't mess around.  Learn from my mistakes and don't fight the experience.

 

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Willy Phallicus said:

After ego "death" for sure.  That takes a little bit though.

Shrooms don't mess around.  Learn from my mistakes and don't fight the experience.

 

I would prefer a clean slice. Instant ego death.  That's my issue with weed.  I think.  So if DMT provides a clean slice I would prefer that. Otherwise I'm having a terrible trip.

[Uddi]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Penrose? Bro, that is iffy shit.

What do you mean? Orch OR was created by both Sir Roger Penrose and Dr. Stuart Hameroff, 2 very high level scientists, one of them is a Nobel laureate.

[Nemra]

@Inliytened1, the brian isn't constructing your experience because it is inside that experience. It's like a remote controller. As I've said in another thread, "outside experience" is a category mistake due to all phenomena you think are outside your experience necessarily having experiential properties.

POVs inside your POV are hallucinated. If you destroy the structural organization of a form, its POV gets annihilated. So, the structural organization, which is also hallucinated, is fundamental to creating a POV inside your POV.

You can read my previous posts to understand where I'm coming from.

Edited 49 minutes ago by Nemra

[Inliytened1]

20 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Inliytened1, the brian isn't constructing your experience because it is inside that experience. It's like a remote controller.

POVs inside your POV are hallucinated. If you destroy the structural organization of a form, its POV gets annihilated. So, the structural organization, which is also hallucinated, is fundamental to creating a POV inside your POV.

You can read my previous posts to understand where I'm coming from.

I hate to break your bubble but there is nothing inside the body. The body,  everything -  is a dream. There is no POV within a person.  There is no self.  It is empty.  There is just empty Consciousness. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Inliytened1

[Uddi]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I hate to break your bubble but there is nothing inside the body. The body,  everything -  is a dream. There is no POV within a person.  There is no self.  It is empty.  There is just empty Consciousness. 

Everything emerges from nothing.

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Uddi said:

Everything emerges from nothing.

Yup.

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Uddi said:

Everything emerges from nothing.

You just gave me an idea for my next tattoo. I have infinity across my arm now.

[Uddi]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

You just gave me an idea for my next tattoo. I have infinity across my arm now.

Look at my signature.