Why is Omnipotence harder to realize than Omnipresence and Omniscience?

[Eskilon]

37 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Can you grasp all of math at once? No.

You need a math awakening.

I think grasping itself is an all at once phenomenon, but at the same time it's gradual... it's tricky.

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

I think grasping itself is an all at once phenomenon,

No, because what's usually grasped is parts of a larger thing.

You can grasp many parts of math without grasping all of it.

Grasping all of God at once is just not going to happen. That's a fantasy.

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Carl-Richard]

16 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

You need a math awakening.

I think grasping itself is an all at once phenomenon, but at the same time it's gradual... it's tricky.

*Me, a non-dual rat, watching a fellow rodent about to be devoured by horny felines*

[Eskilon]

19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No, because what's usually grasped is parts of a larger thing.

You can grasp many parts of math without grasping all of it.

Grasping all of God at once is just not going to happen. That's a fantasy.

You grasped that numbers are infinite in one spontaneous go(all at once).

Grasping is inherently whole. Yes, there's always more, but also there isn't -- as per spiritual insights

Edited 5 hours ago by Eskilon

[Eskilon]

12 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

*Me, a non-dual rat, watching a fellow rodent about to be devoured by horny felines*

I shall invoke you to defend me

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, Eskilon said:

I shall invoke you to defend me

Omni-impotence.

Edited 2 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Leo Gura]

Awakening being multiplistic is not a bug, its a feature.

Yes, you can literally invent new kinds of Awakenings. Your own imagination is the limit.

If you imagine there are only two kinds of Awakening, that will become your reality.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Joseph Maynor]

So Omnipotence makes sense as a pointer.  

[Nemra]

32 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, you can literally invent new kinds of Awakenings. Your own imagination is the limit.

If you imagine there are only two kinds of Awakening, that will become your reality.

Invent Awakenings?

Am I imagining my Awakenings?

Edited 1 hour ago by Nemra

[Xonas Pitfall]

For me, the way omnipotence is experienced is by slowly realizing how your current frame, your present moment, is being constructed. These honestly can be very funky, weird, and scary, pure-insanity-type awakenings.

I remember when I had one of these experiences; I was genuinely scared for my mental health, and it took me some time to integrate what I had experienced.

But basically, the inquiry went something like:

1. What does it actually mean to create? 
2. Does reality come from the mind first, or does reality generate the mind? How can I know?
3. Do I remember when I was created? Who created me? Did I have a beginning? Did I have an end?
4. Does the mental necessitate reality, or does reality necessitate the mental?
5. And then you'd slowly realize the duality of mind/reality, and then those would collapse onto themselves.
6. I remember I'd look at the floor in my room, then the chair in my room, and realize: a mind plotted it out. I'd then see a building, look at 3D modeling blueprints online, and realize, OH, MIND. MIND. Mind plotted it out.
7. Then I'd question aspects of nature and non-human things. Is creativity an emergent property, or is it a primordial thing? Then I'd question: can a less "infinite" object create a more "infinite" object? The concept of requisite variety? Etc., etc.

At the peak of this, I was having childhood imagery that I'd experienced since I was very young being remembered. I'd remember how I imagined my organs and brain when I first discovered those ideas or concepts. Then stories of people. I remember things becoming extremely cartoonish, abstract, and fluid, and it became impossible to tell the difference between what was real and what was imaginary.

MIND. MIND. MIND is primordial. MIND is omnipotent. MIND creates MIND. IMAGINATION. INFINITE LIMITLESS IMAGINATION. MIND. GOD.

Basically, when you have a trip/awakening/experience where you start recreating, recontextualizing, and re-remembering how you created yourself, your body, your room, and your current frame of consciousness right at that moment, that's when, at least for me, I had a glimpse of that insight.

Obviously, there's no guarantee it'll happen the same way for you, but I'd try to aim my mind toward it, or at least be open to those levels of "insanity."

This, however, almost sounds sane when written out. When the actual insight happened, it didn't feel sane at all.

What helped me was questioning the duality of MIND/REALITY. Once you realize MIND is primordial, then the omnipotence follows. But it can be quite a wild trip, and I did need a huge dose to break through, so... 😅

Edited 1 hour ago by Xonas Pitfall

[Leo Gura]

Think of it like this:

Consciousness has to imagine how Woke it can be. If it can't imagine a new level of Wokeness, it can't reach it.

If you tell yourself, "Buddhist enlightenment is all there is to consciousness", then that becomes your reality. Because you aren't willing to imagine anything more.

So my advice is: be ambitious with your imagination, rather than playing humble.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[Xonas Pitfall]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Consciousness has to imagine how Woke it can be. If it can't imagine a new level of Wokeness, it can't reach it.

How would you see the infinity of gods fitting into this? I think this was the one that always confused me.

By definition, God cannot have any other, or any other level of "wokeness" beyond itself. So to imagine any other "god infinity" beyond it, unless it's in some way a fragmented, imposed, fake limitation/separation, seems unfitting.

[Leo Gura]

13 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

How would you see the infinity of gods fitting into this?

It is exactly an example of what I said.

[Xonas Pitfall]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is exactly an example of what I said.

Wouldn't this be the one example that's contradictory?

What would the "other gods" be made of if not from God? What would the separation between them even be?

I suppose this aspect is a bit confusing, haha.

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

Wouldn't this be the one example that's contradictory?

It is contradictory if you assume it's false.

But I dare you to imagine that it's true.

Edited 46 minutes ago by Leo Gura

[Joseph Maynor]

4 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

Wouldn't this be the one example that's contradictory?

What would the "other gods" be made of if not from God? What would the separation between them even be?

I suppose this aspect is a bit confusing, haha.

Who is creating the other gods?

[Xonas Pitfall]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

It is contradictory if you assume it's false.

I'm not sure this tells me much, haha.

False as in incoherent, non-integrous, non-whole, non-one.

[Xonas Pitfall]

Just now, Joseph Maynor said:

Who is creating the other gods?

Supposedly God. That's why having something "so far apart from God, Other than God" that even God cannot reach makes little coherence.

[Joseph Maynor]

Just now, Xonas Pitfall said:

Supposedly God. That's why having something "so far apart from God, Other than God" that even God cannot reach makes little coherence.

We're getting at the crux of the issue guys.  This is getting deep.  

[Leo Gura]

@Xonas Pitfall I dare you to imagine that there are other Gods just like you.

You guys still aren't getting it:

GOD is only limited by your imagination.

Where you stop is where GOD will stop.

Edited 40 minutes ago by Leo Gura