I want to have sex with a girl this week

[Valach]

2 minutes ago, Olaf said:

@Valach but how is he gonna get laid without doing pick up  you are talking in circles

I am not advocating for building a rotation or doing hookups, just not being celibate.. Beside,  99% of people who have sex do so without even knowing about any PUA stuff.

Edited 1 hour ago by Valach

[Olaf]

its easier to jerk off and not ever get rejected 

[Olaf]

@Valach you know how? By drinking alcohol, that sounds like a healthy strategy

[Ulax]

2 minutes ago, Valach said:

Find a relationship or fwb via the route you choose (pickup, online dating or social circle stuff) and focus on internal stuff. I remain single and without sex on purpose right now but I understand that it does not really serve guys at different stages of their lives. 

Bro I do not understand what your stance is

[Olaf]

@Ulax he has no clue himself

[something_else]

21 minutes ago, LordFall said:

What price? 

The big price is paid when you build your entire identity around it, and the price is that it heavily taints your view of all interpersonal dynamics. You're viewing everything social through the pickup lens even if it isn't the appropriate lens. That then gives rise to the issues @Valach listed above. You also end up building your entire self-worth on how many girls you can sleep with, which is not ideal.

It's also a huge time sink. Success with cold approach requires a lot of consistency and dedication to get results, but the skillset you are building from that dedication is quite ephemeral. It atrophies quickly, like a muscle. So you end up spending 2+ years of your life doing cold approach, you stop for a few months, then you have little left to show for it. That is a heavy price.

If you build things that last, like friendships, lifestyles, social groups, real skills, careers, businesses, hobbies etc. you build something much stronger and longer lasting than what you get from years of cold approach under the pickup framework. And all of those things together put you in a much better position to date than the skillset of approaching women on your local high street will.

It's worth doing pickup a bit, just to push yourself and build up some superficial charm, take the parts of the system that are valuable. It will get you laid. But beyond a certain point I think you get very diminishing returns for the amount of effort involved.

Edited 1 hour ago by something_else

[Ulax]

Just now, Olaf said:

@Ulax he has no clue himself

[Ulax]

#StopTheLarpers

[Valach]

3 minutes ago, Ulax said:

Bro I do not understand what your stance is

Find a woman to have a sex with if you need to and focus on healing your trauma. Do not waste time on PUA, what is so hard to understand about that?

[Olaf]

@something_else this is the bullshit Owen warned for "improve your life and the girl will fall into your laps" this is bs advice that is wildly viral on the internet, going to the gym to compensate for your lack of balls to approach a woman. 

[Valach]

3 minutes ago, something_else said:

The big price is paid when you build your entire identity around it, and the price is that it heavily taints your view of all interpersonal dynamics. You're viewing everything social through the pickup lens even if it isn't the appropriate lens. That then gives rise to the issues @Valach listed above. You also end up building your entire self-worth on how many girls you can sleep with, which is not ideal.

It's also a huge time sink. Success with cold approach requires a lot of consistency and dedication to get results, but the skillset you are building from that dedication is quite ephemeral. It atrophies quickly, like a muscle. So you end up spending 2+ years of your life doing cold approach, you stop for a few months, then you have little left to show for it. That is a heavy price.

If you build things that last, like friendships, lifestyles, social groups, real skills, careers, businesses, hobbies etc. you build something much stronger and longer lasting than what you get from years of cold approach under the pickup framework. And all of those things together put you in a much better position to date than the skillset of approaching women on your local high street will.

It's worth doing pickup a bit, just to push yourself and build up some superficial charm, take the parts of the system that are valuable. But beyond a certain point I think you get very diminishing returns.

Thanks for wording it out for me. I am not native speaker so struggle with that sometimes. Though for me, it is more about healing and trauma release then about building your external life.

Edited 1 hour ago by Valach

[Ulax]

2 minutes ago, something_else said:

The big price is paid when you build your entire identity around it, and the price is that it heavily taints your view of all interpersonal dynamics. You're viewing everything social through the pickup lens even if it isn't the appropriate lens. That then gives rise to the issues @Valach listed above. You also end up building your entire self-worth on how many girls you can sleep with, which is not ideal.

It's also a huge time sink. Success with cold approach requires a lot of consistency and dedication to get results, but the skillset you are building from that dedication is quite ephemeral. It atrophies quickly, like a muscle. So you end up spending 2+ years of your life doing cold approach, you stop for a few months, then you have little left to show for it. That is a heavy price.

If you build things that last, like friendships, lifestyles, social groups, real skills, careers, businesses, hobbies etc. you build something much stronger and longer lasting than what you get from years of cold approach under the pickup framework. And all of those things together put you in a much better position to date than the skillset of approaching women on your local high street will.

It's worth doing pickup a bit, just to push yourself and build up some superficial charm, take the parts of the system that are valuable. It will get you laid. But beyond a certain point I think you get very diminishing returns for the amount of effort involved.

I saw on another thread that you never even did much pickup. So how can you speak like this?

[Olaf]

@Ulax #stopthecockblockers

[Olaf]

@Ulax he got hypnotised by the gym guys who looks max their ways into womans panties

Edited 1 hour ago by Olaf

[Ulax]

Just now, Valach said:

Find a woman to have a sex with if you need to and focus on healing your trauma. Do not waste time on PUA, what is so hard to understand about that?

Bro you change your views more frequently than bonnie blue changes sexual partners 

[Valach]

Just now, Ulax said:

Bro you change your views more frequently than bonnie blue changes sexual partners 

How? I spoke against PUA, not against having sex.

[Ulax]

Just now, Olaf said:

@Ulax he got hypnotised by the gym guys who looks max there ways into womans panties

[Olaf]

@Ulax I think girls are knocking at his door ready to sleep with him, no game needed

[something_else]

4 minutes ago, Ulax said:

I saw on another thread that you never even did much pickup. So how can you speak like this?

I did a fair amount of pure pickup in the past. I still do to an extent, but a more holistic version of it. I’m a holistic man-whore now, through and through 

The holistic approach of building a solid well-rounded life has worked much better for dating than a ton of cold approach or true pickup ever did.

Edited 1 hour ago by something_else

[Ulax]

@Olaf