Canadian Prime Minister On Rejecting US Trade Negotiations

[Thought Art]

@Schizophonia I think problem we have right now is Trump’s choices and blatant corruption and bullying of every nation. He has the power and he makes choices. 
 

There may be wider considerations of keeping the US as strong as it used to be. But, his corruption, poor choices, ignorance, ego, old age, lack of education and experience, lack of integrity and sub optimization has hurt the world and US. 
 

The strongest nations a level headed and have good leadership. Xi, from China is a good example of a great world leader. 
 

Trump has hurt so many people it’s shameful. He uses people like Lash Patel and that blond woman… so crazy. 
 

 

Edited Wednesday at 02:26 AM by Thought Art

[Leo Gura]

@Thought Art Don't waste your time thinking about Trump. He will come and go and relations with Canada will renormalize after a sane President returns.

Foreign leaders need to not panic and not take Trump too seriously. They need to wait him out of office. You can't negotiate with a lunatic.

Edited Wednesday at 04:55 AM by Leo Gura

[LordFall]

Carney's team is making some pretty big blunders though. An analysis of their recent negotiations strategy only leave them at a 68/100

68% was not an acceptable grade for me growing up in my household and it certainly is not for a head of state. Above a 90 is mandatory or you're not doing the job right.

[Thought Art]

@LordFall Who scored it? Reading it looks like AI, and not integrative enough. I don’t give that score authority. 

Edited Wednesday at 05:47 PM by Thought Art

[Thought Art]

 

[LordFall]

23 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@LordFall Who scored it? Reading it looks like AI, and not integrative enough. I don’t give that score authority. 

Yes I had Gemini analyze his actions in negotiation this trade war.

What would you rate him /100 and based on what? I think AI is great at synthezing information and giving us a baseline to go on. We can break it down further if you disagree with Geminis conclusion. 

[Thought Art]

@LordFall maybe I’ll give you a relative score in 10-20-30 year increments from now. 
 

Be careful of your AI use, I think. It can mislead you because it’s inputs and prompts don’t always match reality. The response you’ve shared it weird and it’s unclear the scope, depth and even accuracy of the response. 
 

For example one I’ll point out is it says canada didn’t  remove inter provincial trade barriers… but there are now no federal trade barriers to inter provincial trade. So it’s using out dated context. 
 

Another is the mirroring of Chinese Tarriffs was done in 2024 by Justin Trudeau, so out dated and misleading. 
 

The inflation reduction act was in 2022 and Justin Trudeau…

 

OVERALL, sloppy garbage shit AI post.

Edited Thursday at 01:38 AM by Thought Art

[Thought Art]

Even the opening line in your AI is false. He is the Prime Minister. Not whatever that task force is. We have task forces which are chaired by others. 
 

Scary weird AI screen shot man. 

[LordFall]

5 hours ago, Thought Art said:

Even the opening line in your AI is false. He is the Prime Minister. Not whatever that task force is. We have task forces which are chaired by others. 
 

Scary weird AI screen shot man. 

Lol yeah that was definitely a hallucination moment. Some of your rebuttals are off base though. 

5 hours ago, Thought Art said:

For example one I’ll point out is it says canada didn’t  remove inter provincial trade barriers… but there are now no federal trade barriers to inter provincial trade. So it’s using out dated context. 

There are still plenty of trade barriers currently hurting our GDP to the tune of tens of billions annually. The Canadian Free Trade Agreement ameliorated some of it, but the friction is definitely not resolved.

5 hours ago, Thought Art said:

@LordFallAnother is the mirroring of Chinese Tarriffs was done in 2024 by Justin Trudeau, so out dated and misleading. 
 

The inflation reduction act was in 2022 and Justin Trudeau…

 Carney didn't just inherit these policies in a vacuum, he has been Prime Minister since early 2025 and actively chairs the government defending them. More importantly, Washington doesn't negotiate with individual personalities; it negotiates with the Canadian state. Whether an unforced error like the Digital Services Tax or billions in reactive EV subsidies was passed under Trudeau or retained under Carney, it is Carney's administration that has to defend the balance sheet and bear the retaliatory cost at the CUSMA table today.

Edited Thursday at 07:13 AM by LordFall

[Schizophonia]

On 16/09/2026 at 4:34 AM, Leo Gura said:

@Thought Art Don't waste your time thinking about Trump. He will come and go and relations with Canada will renormalize after a sane President returns.

Foreign leaders need to not panic and not take Trump too seriously. They need to wait him out of office. You can't negotiate with a lunatic.

On 16/09/2026 at 4:20 AM, Thought Art said:

Xi, from China is a good example of a great world leader. 
 

China is doing well that’s why it can afford to have a polished president; not the opposite (or rather both are true; to be non dualist  )

American elites and the middle class feel threatened and perceive themselves as losing status; consequently they will vote for someone who whether consciously or unconsciously (which is what Leo meant by "vibe" when trying to explain Trump's election) acts in their interests. Trump’s character is well-suited to this situation of decline: he is uninhibited and capable of pursuing an imperialist policy.

Leo and others here see Trump simply as a "lunatic" (I’m not saying whether that’s true or false; I’m moving past that) because you aren't enough part of enough of the collective subjets that favored Trump to understand the necessity of such individuals for their agenda. 

For the average family man to the Silicon Valley elite, passing to the Israeli/Jewish diaspora, Trump’s character is usefull, relevant to those people, relevance enough to propel him to power. Nothing happens by chance; randomness is an illusion. History is dialectical, a configuration of power dynamics between collective actors and if you limit yourself to viewing things through the lens of individual subjects, your worldview will be blurred and distorted. You will simply dismiss people as "stupid," "erratic," or what have you, without ever understanding why these "morons" keep coming back again and again.

Trump's plan is a two-step process :

1)

Maintaining the petrodollar by bringing key oil producers such as Venezuela or Iran into the fold.

Essentially the United States particularly in the post-Cold War era has been the world's leading industrial power. It was able to pressure various oil producers and buyers (threatening for exemple to withhold Boeing aircraft, US manufactured goods, access to Visa/Mastercard banking networks; anything was possible) to mandate the dollar as the currency for trade. This boosted the dollar's value allowing the US to import goods and services from other countries much more cheaply, or alternatively to devalue the dollar here and there by running the printing presses. This devaluation reduced the burden of public debt: if your currency is worth less, everything automatically becomes more expensive but the debt (and the interest) is not inflation-indexed; thus it loses value, "weight"; i's a way to cheat the system.

The issue is that the United States is now competing, naturally, with Europe (which has rebuilt itself since World War II), and above all with China as well as increasingly with emerging powers like India and perhaps one day Indonesia, Russia, and so on.

This means that now that China produces its own aircraft, phones, microchips, and the like, it is becoming increasingly tempting for certain oil-producing nations for specific geopolitical or ideological reasons to take the risk to stop selling their oil in dollars and switch to the yuan (or the euro, or any other currency, for that matter), because in this instance even if the United States threatens you and carries out those trade threats, you can now still trade with competitors.

You can even go so far as to threaten the United States with this kind of customer-base leverage. That’s exactly what Emmanuel fucking Macron did when he showed up at Davos in "Top Gun" mode: he tacitly invited China to step in as a trade partner. Trump once threatened to slap tariffs on French champagne and wine imports, but the issue as Macron knows is that this industry is becoming less and less dependent on American customers; the product can now be sold to the Chinese, even if it means making less money in a worst-case scenario. And as time goes on as China and other emerging nations grow wealthier, their capacity to buy champagne will increase, while the U.S. will lose its ability to exert pressure through its consumer base.

Such a move so (to stock buying things in dollar especially petrolium) would lead to a depreciation of the dollar, resulting in a significant loss of American purchasing power abroad and by extension a general decline in purchasing power.

 

2)

Bring capital back to the United States.

That is the purpose of these tariffs and protectionism in general, It isn't just an idea of Trump he was advised to do this.

Given that the balance of trade and capital flows are increasingly favoring competitors he is attempting to reindustrialize the United States and protect the dollar by restricting product imports. The logic is that if fewer goods are imported (from Canada for example), certain sectors will increase production thereby significantly bolstering the value of the dollar.

The other strategy is massive investment in AI. The United States is investing heavily in AI and data centers less out of kindness and to cure Uncle Jaco’s anal cancert han to massively and drastically ramp up production/production-cost ratio.

Oil as i described it before is the primary factor but it is not the only product that bolsters American soft power and purchasing power; printed circuit boards and computer products in general play a similar role.
This is a key reason why the United States wants to protect Taiwan from being absorbed by China. Taiwan is the world's largest supplier of printed circuit boards; if it were to be absorbed by mainland China an entire sector vital to soft power would fall under Chinese control, a sector whose products would btw then likely be sold in yuan or other currencies specifically to spite the United States, creating the same problem as with oil.

 

You are right to suggest that the project looks like a trap and doesn't seem to work. It will be a make-or-break situation, depending on the motivation of the various stakeholders.All I mean is that from a historical-materialist perspective it was to be expected.

Edited Thursday at 11:56 AM by Schizophonia

[Thought Art]

 

[Butters]

On 9/17/2026 at 6:52 PM, Schizophonia said:

Xi, from China is a good example of a great world leader. 
 

Imperialist country leader*