Solipsism question

[Ziran]

3 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

No one is denying this.

I am

[Ziran]

On 8/12/2026 at 5:38 PM, Willy Phallicus said:

The first great lie is 2.

The first great lie is first.  Which happens to be 2.  

[Inliytened1]

On 8/13/2026 at 0:34 PM, metamember said:

I can agree based on my lived exeperience now and current memories that it seems safe to assume that I'll never be able to know if another mind exists, but from this state of consciousness it sure seems that others exist - it certainly seems like there's other beings out there that have private thoughts and preferences that I dont typically have access to.

From this state of consiousness it does seem impossible to know for sure whether other people are having a lived experience of reality that I would call similar to my own current experience if I were to experience it. There's no real evidence that they are, but there's no real evidence that they aren't either. 

So yes, it seems we can never know for sure... but maybe we can.

Some people seem to be pretty sure.

Solopsists who "know for sure that other minds DON'T exist" with 100% or 99.99% certainty seem to have accessed a state of consiousness that I have not accessed yet.

Right now, others really seem to exist... like, it seems silly to assume that they don't.
But then during certain states of consiousness / deep contemplation apparently it can be 'known for sure that there are no other minds!

But then it seems like you go back to the 'human' state of consiousness, now with a memory of that experience, and look, here are the other minds doing their thing!

But, if reality is infinite, why can't both ontologies be true, depending on the state of conciousness?

Why can't there be others and also no others?

Who's to say there couldnt be another state of consciousness in which it becomes abundantly clear that there are without a doubt, other minds, or even that there are infinite minds?

I've never tried 5-Meo and maybe that shows, lol

It becomes true by default - even if you don't take DMT and become direclty conscious of it...because whether or not you can imagine if there are other minids, there will only ever be what is actual... But yeah you're right, it can be validated for sure by becoming directly conscious of it.  That was a scary awakening for me.

[JoshB]

15 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

It becomes true by default - even if you don't take DMT and become direclty conscious of it...because whether or not you can imagine if there are other minids, there will only ever be what is actual... But yeah you're right, it can be validated for sure by becoming directly conscious of it.  That was a scary awakening for me.

The Absolute Nature of Infinity / Reality reveals there is nothing outside of it because it is everything. And by definition there can be only one everything, if there was something outside of everything it wouldn't be everything. It's an ontological Absolute. 

Now solipsism comes into play because for self and then other to exist you need to fundamentally have 2 parts (self / other)

But what undermines this is because of the oneness of everything, existence can not be divided between multiple parts. Any and all things must be rooted in the same existence. Try to find the line where 2 parts are separate or where the part stops being the whole. See you've never found such a line. 

and because of the lack of this boundary of division, it becomes possible you can become directly conscious of what existence is. And because everything is one and you are conscious, that means consciousness is intimately intertwined with oneness.   

@metamember

[JoshB]

@Inliytened1 The awakening being scary is fundamentally the ego's reaction. God is head over heels in love with it's own aloneness 

[Inliytened1]

10 minutes ago, JoshB said:

@Inliytened1 The awakening being scary is fundamentally the ego's reaction. God is head over heels in love with it's own aloneness 

Bro, my cell is dead, message me privately so i can give you my other number.

[Inliytened1]

11 minutes ago, JoshB said:

@Inliytened1 The awakening being scary is fundamentally the ego's reaction. God is head over heels in love with it's own aloneness 

One could look at it that way, or it can be God just freaked out that he's God.  Why wouldn't that be possible?

You think God can't be scared unless it is in the ego state?   This was definitely not an egoic state of conscioussness, this what much different in terms of state of consciousness than the normal state.

Edited 5 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Willy Phallicus]

4 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

One could look at it that way, or it can be God just freaked out that he's God.  Why wouldn't that be possible?

Was that your first awakening or an awakening you've had after being totally stuck in ego survival mode for an abnormally long stretch?

I ask because I've only experienced any "difficulty" in the very early going and with the sober realizations. I wasn't freaked out per se but there was something akin to shock or surprise followed by what I can only call sadness with the knowledge that I was completely alone.