Relationship Based on Truth, Honesty & Vulnerability

[LordFall]

5 hours ago, Miguel1 said:

@Natasha Tori Maru It’s not that I think you are not coming in good faith.

The issue is that since we don’t align in the fundamentals when it comes to this matter, asking such vague question like ”do you trust yourself?” just makes things more confusing.

Do I come across as someone who has zero trust in himself?

No you clearly are confident but you seem to have a chip on your shoulder and are defensive. The ironic thing is this thread is titled "Relationship Based on Truth, Honesty & Vulnerability," yet every time someone asks you to be vulnerable or share the specifics of your own dating history, you retreat into vague generalizations about toxic people or question people's motives.

I myself exposed my past relationship shortcomings and lessons and invited you to do the same but you seem to have trouble doing so and get defensive. 

4 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

It appears you have come to the conclusion I can be of no assistance to you.

I recind my questions. 

I'm much more aggressive than Natasha so I will not let you get away with this avoidance mechanism. You're a cool guy bro there is no need to hide in platitudes and spiritual superiority. 

[Miguel1]

@LordFall My bad. I have been very busy with work and haven’t had proper time to answer here.

I don’t think I am defensive. I just don’t see eye to eye with you guys.

In an ideal world, hopefully in the future when we are more conscious as a species, we can be open, honest and vulnerable with each other from the get go — the way Naftali Moses promotes.

There is nothing to hide.

You don’t need polices if humans were more conscious and mature.

Similarly you don’t need to hide and play dating games if you were more conscious and mature.

I am shocked this is so hard to grasp by you guys.

All this talk on this thread is simply making me double down and triple down on real authenticity. I try to shred as much social games from my personality as possible. I want to be as real and honest from the get go as possible with the people I meet.

What else is the point?

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If I go out to pick up girls just purely for sex, then I will put on my seduction and PUA character on. But that’s just it. Just for sex. I do not expect anything genuine, real and long-lasting from it.

Edited 3 hours ago by Miguel1

[LordFall]

I still think you're spiritually bypassing and by hoping that your authenticity is enough. I never said to not be authentic but I don't even know what that means, I've pretty much never lied to women in my whole game career I always made it a point to tell all the girls I've dated I studied pick up for example and that's never backfired on me. Offering value as a man is a different concept. It's like what does authenticity have to do with feeding yourself? It's tangential. 

Feel free to experiment with this style of dating for a few months and get back to us on how it worked out. I could be wrong and you could find what you want quickly but my guess is that it's gonna be a little harder than just trying to be authentic and hoping people accept you without getting down to the core of how who you are as a man and what you offer the women that you're hoping to date. 

 

[Miguel1]

@LordFall How am I spiritual by-passing? After sleeping with over a hundred girls, been in monogamous relationships for 11 years in the past 13 (lots of sex) with very beautiful gfs.

Why do you know more about me than I know? Perhaps this is the issue here?

And finally, there’s absolutely zero chance you are not lying to the girls you are dating. I know all the PUA tricks and the way they lie to themselves so they can sleep at night, as I used to practice all of them.

[LordFall]

10 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

@LordFall How am I spiritual by-passing? After sleeping with over a hundred girls, been in monogamous relationships for 11 years in the past 13 (lots of sex) with very beautiful gfs.

Why do you know more about me than I know? Perhaps this is the issue here?

And finally, there’s absolutely zero chance you are not lying to the girls you are dating. I know all the PUA tricks and the way they lie to themselves so they can sleep at night, as I used to practice all of them.

The fact that you immediately reached for a body count flex and assumed I must be lying shows where your mindset actually sits. You're reacting to your own past burnout with PUA tricks by swinging to the opposite extreme. Integration means being honest, high-value, and socially calibrated all at once. Without needing to project your old habits onto me.

Edited 3 hours ago by LordFall

[Miguel1]

@LordFall Alright brother, it seems like everything I say will be turned around, and gaslighted by you. I can’t even answer your false accusations because you will just say that I am doing something wrong.

I don’t see a reason to continue this conversation. I thank you for your effort and participation.